> Astronomers have discovered an "unusual" planetary system wherein the > two planets orbit the system's core object in a relatively close-in > 2:1 resonance.
> According to one of the astrophysicists involved: "... we are at a > loss to explain why this happened. This is the latest in a long line > of strange discoveries about extrosolar planets, ... . Each time we > think we can explain them, something else comes along."
> But of course, helium-like atoms have no such problems with 2:1 > resonances. These states are relatively common in excited atomic > scale systems because of their stability.
> In fact, all of the "strange discoveries", such as pulsar/planets, > incredibly close-in gas giant planets, and ubiquitous non-coplanarity, > are not the least bit strange if you understand the discrete self- > similarity between Stellar Scale systems and Atomic Scale systems. In > fact, one could anticipate the previous "strange discoveries", and the > many more to come until the boffins realize that stars and atoms are > the same physical systems with the same physics. They only appear to > superficially differ because of the extremely large differences in > discrete L,T,M scales.
> It's a whole new discrete fractal world! > Watch the patttern emerge from the scattered observational pieces of > the puzzle.
I should include this to sci.astro, rather than sci.fractal
All of fractals comes from the central idea in physics that the small and large are all atoms, same as self-similarity.
When Democritus in ancient Greek times said " the only things existing, are atoms", he really meant it. If you believe it, then logic says the totality is one big atom. So if only atoms exist, then the Universe is both self similar and size makes no difference.
> > Astronomers have discovered an "unusual" planetary system wherein the > > two planets orbit the system's core object in a relatively close-in > > 2:1 resonance.
> > According to one of the astrophysicists involved: "... we are at a > > loss to explain why this happened. This is the latest in a long line > > of strange discoveries about extrosolar planets, ... . Each time we > > think we can explain them, something else comes along."
> > But of course, helium-like atoms have no such problems with 2:1 > > resonances. These states are relatively common in excited atomic > > scale systems because of their stability.
> > In fact, all of the "strange discoveries", such as pulsar/planets, > > incredibly close-in gas giant planets, and ubiquitous non-coplanarity, > > are not the least bit strange if you understand the discrete self- > > similarity between Stellar Scale systems and Atomic Scale systems. In > > fact, one could anticipate the previous "strange discoveries", and the > > many more to come until the boffins realize that stars and atoms are > > the same physical systems with the same physics. They only appear to > > superficially differ because of the extremely large differences in > > discrete L,T,M scales.
> > It's a whole new discrete fractal world! > > Watch the patttern emerge from the scattered observational pieces of > > the puzzle.
> Thanks Robert for that reference site and the evidence seems to be > growing in leaps and bounds of a Atom Totality Universe. Thanks
> Archimedes Plutonium > http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ > whole entire Universe is just one big atom > where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
I've also gotten some arguably interesting results tying in related 2 or 1/2 ratios and also 0.43 to 0.488 ratios in my last few posts in my Quantum Gravity thread.
> I've also gotten some arguably interesting results tying in related 2 > or 1/2 ratios and also 0.43 to 0.488 ratios in my last few posts in my > Quantum Gravity thread.
> Osher Doctorow
Supporting evidence comes from observational evidence of those exoplanets which Oldershaw is referring to, whereas yours is what? your brain thinking and hence not allied with any factual data.
It is the observational factual data that separates the Big Bang as a fake from the Atom Totality.
Osher, your posts seem to always lack the allying of factual observed data from opinion-ideas. Ideas are just opinions, Osher, when those ideas are not pinned down to a theory. For example, your Quantum Gravity is all merely opinion because you never offered a larger theory to pin-down gravity. You see, in the Atom Totality, gravity is what space is as Dirac's ocean of positrons which are positively charged and since all matter is of the electrons of the 231Pu Atom Totality are attracted by the positron space.
I let the Atom Totality explain gravity, while sitting back in a lounger sipping ice tea, whereas you have to break into a sweat and work long hours trying to get gravity out of a Big Bang, since you never replaced the Big Bang.
Give you an example, when I first discovered the Atom Totality, it was a allying of factual data with thinking. The factual data was that the electron-dot-cloud has a Born Intrepretation of its dots spread out and if you look at the night sky of stars they are a Born Intrepretation of where those stars lie. So then, apply thinking to this and come up with the Universe is one big atom.
Your posts, Osher, are mostly mental thinking, not backed with much logic and hardly ever any factual data.
Sorry to sound harsh on you Osher, but I think you are wasting your time. Out of all your posts, Osher, do you think there is anything new, real, and truthful?
Nearly everyone in science believes that new science discoveries of importance are due to a person with persistence and drive and smartness. Whereas if the Atom Totality is true, then every major science discovery is made not by smart persons with superior brain power, but is superdetermined who will make the discoveries. It is not a matter of thinking, but being fated to do the new discoveries.
I discovered the Atom Totality, not because I am smart or persistent or had an excellent education. I discovered it because I was fated by higher powers to have those thoughts and actions and deeds.
Were you, Osher, fated to discover any new science? From you voluminous postings, it appears the answer is no.
And another thing about science discovery. It is not going to happen if you crank on the Internet with posts, that you will perchance find a new important idea. In my case, I discovered the Atom Totality and then decided to post on the Internet. If I had never discovered the Atom Totality, the internet community would never have heard of Ludwig van Ludvig.
So the important thing is to make the discovery outside the Internet, and then use the Internet to broadcast the idea. You seem to do the opposite and feel that by chain posting that somehow you will make some new discovery. I rather think not.
Like I said, I believe Newton was fated, as well as Faraday and Maxwell, as Bohr and as Dirac.
And another thing, Osher, you can evaluate or judge a person's science abilities or qualities by who he/she esteems. Nearly everyone posting or reading this post of mine in science esteems Einstein. This tells me they have a tiny science mind. John Bell, who few have ever heard of was far more a scientist then ever was Einstein. In fact the giant of the 20th century physics was Dirac. Dirac's legacy is just starting to bloom. Dirac was so close to the Atom Totality, with his laws of large numbers and his positron ocean and his new radioactivities.
So why bother, Osher, with all these posts of yours when none of them has any new theories. What exactly are you pushing, other than your opinions. A theory is not a theory unless it ties together alot of obersvations and experiments. Ideas are not better than opinions when they are not allied with a theory. So Osher, in my opinion, your posts are all opinions, and not science.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "Chapt17: solar system evidence Re: Discovered! - Exoplanets in Tight 2:1 Resonance #248 Atom Totality" by Robert L. Oldershaw
> When Democritus in ancient Greek times said " the only things > existing, are atoms", > he really meant it. If you believe it, then logic says the totality is > one big atom. So if > only atoms exist, then the Universe is both self similar and size > makes no difference.
Just a note: Democritus, Discrete Scale Relativity, and any natural philosopher worth his salt knows that nature's discrete self-similar hierarchy is unbounded, i.e., infinite.
Therefore there cannot be a "largest atom" and it is incorrect to say that the Universe is an atom. If you go looking for the "uber-atom" you are on a fool's errand because the sequence of ever-larger atoms is infinite and does not end.
If you want to say that there are an infinite number self-similar atoms that differ in discrete size scales ( ..., Atomic Scale atoms, Stellar Scale atoms, Galactic Scale atoms,..., that would appear to be more defendable.
Robert L. Oldershaw wrote: > On Jul 31, 12:30 am, Archimedes Plutonium > <plutonium.archime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > When Democritus in ancient Greek times said " the only things > > existing, are atoms", > > he really meant it. If you believe it, then logic says the totality is > > one big atom. So if > > only atoms exist, then the Universe is both self similar and size > > makes no difference. > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Just a note: Democritus, Discrete Scale Relativity, and any natural > philosopher worth his salt knows that nature's discrete self-similar > hierarchy is unbounded, i.e., infinite.
Well I don't think any natural philosopher worth his weight in gold ever does well defining, as to the terms he/she means. Ask anyone in math, philosophy, physics what they mean by " infinity". And the usual answer is "that which is unending, or, never ending." Sounds simple, sounds obvious. But it was obvious to Newton and all predecessors of Newton of absolute-space and absolute-time which special-relativity debunked.
Did you know, Robert, that no mathematician ever well defined what he meant by finite-number versus infinite-number. And left it up to each and everyone to make up their own personal definition. Talk about walking away from the prime job of mathematics-- to well define.
So what is the true concept of infinity, when someone really puts some effort into a well-defined definition? It would have to come from physics and a concept of "never ending" is not a physical concept is it? What is in physics is that you reach a point where you no longer are able to count in the large or measure in the small, or go colder in the cold or go hotter in the heat.
So Physics would say that Infinity is not these ghost or green dragon of endlessness, just as absolute time is a ghost or fluida as electricity a fluid is a ghost. But Physics would say that if we can no longer measure, or count or divide, then we reached "infinity"
So a better definition of infinity is that at which Physics no longer is able to measure or experiment, or where a force ends such as Strong- Nuclear ends at nucleons of 253. It occurs in the large at 10^500 and in the small at 10^-500 (probably occurs earlier than 10^-500 for the small).
So, Robert, I suspect you have endorsed a concept of "infinity" with out ever really thinking hard and long about what infinity means. You assumed what it means, just as Newton assumed absolute time.
If there is no more physics, since there is no more strongnuclear force at 253! for elements beyond 100, if there is no more physics, then the concept of infinity ends there also. If Physics is gone at 253! then there surely is no biology of people doing any mathematics.
So to a physicist who wants well-defined concepts, not some shoddy concept that is taken for granted, would say that 10^500 is infinity.
And so you have a largest atom.
> Therefore there cannot be a "largest atom" and it is incorrect to say > that the Universe is an atom. If you go looking for the "uber-atom" > you are on a fool's errand because the sequence of ever-larger atoms > is infinite and does not end.
This would be like Newton telling Poincare and Lorentz that they cannot do what they did, because they violate absolute space and absolute time. When in fact, Newton never had a well defined "what is space and what is time."
Sorry, Robert, but you never well-defined "what is infinity".
Infinity is nothing magical. It is where Physics no longer exists.
It is where the Strong-Nuclear force no longer exists and that is about 253! of the Coulomb Interactions inside a nucleus.
WELL DEFINED Infinity : Infinity is where Physics ends in measuring, experimenting or where a force of physics ends.
I am afraid, Robert, that as Newton succumbed to a misconception of Space and Time in his physics, that you, Robert succumbed to a shoddy idea of what is meant by infinity. As if Infinity is more powerful as a philosophy idealogue, than all of Physics.
I look at it the other way around, that we have zillions of silly philosophers with zillions of poor ideas and infinity as "never ending" is one of the classical shoddy silly ideas.
Sure many fell prey to Fluidia as the electric juice or fluid and to the Phlogiston as heat as a fluid. So many fell prey to those shoddy ideas, probably because philosophers entered where wise men feared to tread.
But now in our century, we finally release the philosophers and mathematicians of their shoddy notion around "infinity" and set infinity on its true path. Infinity means the end of doing Physics and thus is about 10^500. Infinity is the boundary at which Phsyics no longer is physics.
So, Robert, please help physics, not hinder physics from the silly philosophers and mathematicians who have this ultra-idealism of what everything means. Even their twirling of hair-locks in their ivory towers while sipping coffee.
> If you want to say that there are an infinite number self-similar > atoms that differ in discrete size scales ( ..., Atomic Scale atoms, > Stellar Scale atoms, Galactic Scale atoms,..., that would appear to be > more defendable.
Well, Robert, you never had a theory of physics, but only have applied the concept of Fractals to physics. Applying a concept of math is not a physics theory; it maybe a tool but not a physics reality. Just as the scaffolding around quarks or the scaffolding that Mendeleev used to figure out the periodic table. Scaffolding is not physics, but a aid.
I have a theory-- the Universe is one big atom, and thus your fractals is a incidental side aspect of that theory. Atom Totality can produce all of fractals, but fractals can not yield the Atom Totality theory.
If your only objection to Atom Totality is "infinity", well, you never really defined infinity to any standard of good physics. You accepted and assumed the common notion of "endlessness".
And if that is your only objection to the Atom Totality, then you have no real objection. Notice how in Quantum Electrodynamics, by renormalizing they get rid of the nuisance infinities. All of physics should be getting rid of infinities of numbers larger than 10^500. But to think that if Physics is no longer physics at 253! of strongnuclear, why would any physicist embrace silly mathematicians with their idea of endlessness, as if anything can be counted beyond 10^500 or that a world exists where you have a biology of intelligent life to even have mathematics.
Remember, you have to have Phsyics to have biology and to have mathematics is much further down the line. So why would anyone trumpet mathematics with its silly notion of "endless" when physics puts infinity at 10^500.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Well, Galileo knew the basic properties of countable infinities.
Then Cantor developed the subject into rigorous mathematical theory.
To me the idea of truncating nature's hierarchy is repugnant, and the desire to do so is most likely due to a lack of courage and an anthropocentric prejudice.
Is the concept of the Metagalactic Scale "atom" undergoing a catastrophic nuclear decay event causing complete ionization of the "atomic" structure not a good enough model for the Big Bang? It is the local [observable universe] that went Bang, not the global [Universe], which is infinite and eternal.
Discussion subject changed to "Thermodynamics is recycleable but not the Maxwell theory Re: Exoplanets in Tight 2:1 Resonance #251 & 4.35 Atom Totality & Correcting Math" by Archimedes Plutonium
Robert L. Oldershaw wrote: > On Jul 31, 5:15 pm, Archimedes Plutonium > <plutonium.archime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So what is the true concept of infinity, when someone really puts some > ---------------------------------------------------
> Well, Galileo knew the basic properties of countable infinities.
I don't recall Galileo ever immersing in mathematics, other than for his experimental physics.
> Then Cantor developed the subject into rigorous mathematical theory.
I suppose most people evaluate Cantor as having done something rigorous, but how he managed to be unrigorous about defining what it means to be a finite-number as opposed to being a infinite-number. So the extent of Cantor's rigor is that he saw all numbers as finite and no numbers as infinite. Funny how that notion raises the question if all numbers are finite, then no infinity exists other than the imagination gone awry.
So here we see, Robert, that in order to have infinity, a boundary must be set where below is finite and above is infinite.
> To me the idea of truncating nature's hierarchy is repugnant, and the > desire to do so is most likely due to a lack of courage and an > anthropocentric prejudice.
It is never repugnant to give a precision definition of something-- anything and raise it out of the quagmire of obfuscation. It is never repugnant to have well defined concepts. What is repugnant is to leave ill-defined objects and concepts laying about. It is repugnant that everyone has their own self prescribed definition that they make up in their minds what finite number versus infinite number means. And to expect all these self prescribed definitions to chime in harmony when asked on a survey.
> Is the concept of the Metagalactic Scale "atom" undergoing a > catastrophic nuclear decay event causing complete ionization of the > "atomic" structure not a good enough model for the Big Bang? It is the > local [observable universe] that went Bang, not the global [Universe], > which is infinite and eternal.
So if we define Infinity as 10^500 or larger, then in the Atom Totality theory, would the universe tend towards and reach a 10^500 Atom Totality structure? Or, would it just recycle back and forth from element 114 back to hydrogen and so on and so forth.
Now thanks, Robert, because I never went down this path before. Perhaps the Universe need not go out beyond say Element 114 Atom Totality. Perhaps the Cosmos recycles back to a Hydrogen or Helium Atom Totality after 114. So is there something in QM of a recycling mode that matches that scenario? A universal cycling mode? Is not that what the laws of Thermodynamics tend for? Is not the 2nd law a universal recycling mode? That there is no recycling mode in fractals, when there should be a recycling mode. Maybe that is the deepest and profoundest meaning of the universe--- constant recycling. Maybe that is the ultimate truth that philosophers seek-- recycling. We recycle plastics and paper, and there is a water cycle and a oxygen to carbon dioxide recycling, so why not have a recycling of the Universe? Is there anything other than atoms that are recycleable on a cosmic scale?
I don't notice the Maxwell Equations as a recycleable scheme. Of course the wave in particle wave duality is a recycling scheme. And so is Thermodynamics the recycling unit of physics.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
From: "Robert L. Oldershaw" <rlolders...@amherst.edu>
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 08:17:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Aug 1 2010 5:17 am
Subject: Re: Thermodynamics is recycleable but not the Maxwell theory Re: Exoplanets in Tight 2:1 Resonance #251 & 4.35 Atom Totality & Correcting Math
A physical hierarchy of actual systems, such as the discrete self- similar organization of nature into ..., subquantum systems, atomic systems, stellar systems, galactic systems, metagalactic systems, ... , need not have a "bottom" or a "top".
Further, I would argue that capping off nature's hierarchy with a "top" or a "bottom" is an act of desecration that has no empirical or theoretical justification.
Discussion subject changed to "Chapt21: meaning and purpose of life Re: Exoplanets in Tight 2:1 Resonance #252 & 4.36 Atom Totality & Correcting Math" by Archimedes Plutonium
Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > Robert L. Oldershaw wrote:
> It is never repugnant to give a precision definition of something-- > anything and raise it out > of the quagmire of obfuscation. It is never repugnant to have well > defined concepts. What is > repugnant is to leave ill-defined objects and concepts laying about. > It is repugnant that everyone has their own self prescribed definition > that they make up in their minds what finite number versus infinite > number means. And to expect all these self > prescribed definitions to chime in harmony when asked on a survey.
> > Is the concept of the Metagalactic Scale "atom" undergoing a > > catastrophic nuclear decay event causing complete ionization of the > > "atomic" structure not a good enough model for the Big Bang? It is the > > local [observable universe] that went Bang, not the global [Universe], > > which is infinite and eternal.
> So if we define Infinity as 10^500 or larger, then in the Atom > Totality theory, would the universe > tend towards and reach a 10^500 Atom Totality structure? Or, would it > just recycle back and forth from element 114 back to hydrogen and so > on and so forth.
> Now thanks, Robert, because I never went down this path before. > Perhaps the Universe need not go out beyond say Element 114 Atom > Totality. Perhaps the Cosmos recycles back to a Hydrogen or Helium > Atom Totality after 114. So is there something in QM of a recycling > mode that matches that scenario? > A universal cycling mode? Is not that what the laws of Thermodynamics > tend for? Is not the > 2nd law a universal recycling mode? That there is no recycling mode in > fractals, when there should be a recycling mode. > Maybe that is the deepest and profoundest meaning of the universe--- > constant recycling. Maybe that is the ultimate truth that philosophers > seek-- recycling. We recycle plastics and paper, and there is a water > cycle and a oxygen to carbon dioxide recycling, so why not have a > recycling of the Universe? Is there anything other than atoms that are > recycleable on a cosmic scale?
> I don't notice the Maxwell Equations as a recycleable scheme. Of > course the wave in particle > wave duality is a recycling scheme. And so is Thermodynamics the > recycling unit of physics.
I am comfortable with having well-defined, precision defined finite- number versus infinite-number and how this amply corrects mathematics and makes the old-math obsolete. It will be some time before others catch up and accept these ideas.
So let me move on and what better place than to well define, precision define a much tougher concept. And this concept has never really been given a acceptable definition for we see strife within biology as to whether viruses are living or nonliving. So the concept of life versus nonlife is what I am aiming at for the moment. Whether I achieve any sort of progress or success will remain to be seen. I always go into these projects with a gloomy success forecast, but seem to always emerge with some sort of victory.
Let me see if I can precision define Life versus NonLife. What gives me some advantage over all past such projects is that I have the Atom Totality theory with the latest in quantum-mechanics.
Let me just dive into the middle of the problem.
Imagine three reproduction chambers as three separate experiments. In one chamber is of course one celled living creatures and multicelled creatures reproducing to make more new life. In the second chamber is atoms of physics that are bombarded with energy and also chemical solutions in vats where chemicals are added and reactions take place. In the third chamber are all sorts of computers and artists drawing fractals, making small fractals larger or some making small fractals even smaller and all sorts of different shaped fractals.
Now the reason I have these three chambers is to refer to them to guide me on as to whether I am making a precision definition of Live vs. Nonlife.
Now if my memory is correct, the very best that the biology community can come up with on a precision definition of Life vs. Nonlife is that it embodies four main aspects: (a) is a closed geometrical shaped object (b) takes in energy from outside of its body (c) reproduces itself (d) has motion
Now it would be nice if there was only one distinction between life and nonlife rather than requiring four distinctions that separates whether something is alive or nonliving.
Now let me briefly check how much a fractal from the fractal chamber follows those four requirements: It surely is a closed geometrical shaped object because the artist when finishing one fractal moves to the same one that is larger or smaller version of itself. It surely takes in energy from the environment as the artist or computer is required to draw the next fractal. But fails for self reproduction because it needs the artist or computer aids and also has no motion.
Now the atom chamber or chemical mixing chamber fails at reproducing itself. But fails by not very much of a failing. I mean that we can construe a experiment where we have hydrogen atoms bombarded with some energy and for which some of that energy converts into more hydrogen atoms so we have an increase in hydrogen atoms overall, due to the energy bombardment from the outside. So in a sense, a real sense, it is going to be extremely difficult to say those hydrogen atoms are nonliving.
Now there is one idea that may help at this juncture. A feature about life that is very difficult to realize in any sort of nonliving system. I speak of the idea that all life on Earth was like a baton carried back through time of a continuous path of living creatures in order for each and every one of us to be alive today. Let me call it a chain of continuity of life. Where I can trace back my cells that only stops when I reach some ancient primitive first cells on Earth.
This chain of continuity cannot be existing in the fractal chamber. Can this chain of continuity be somehow existing in the atom or chemical chamber? Now if the atom chamber had elements of bismuth, and all those bismuth atoms were built step by step adding protons to initial hydrogen atoms, and if we take one bismuth atom we can make a chain of continuity of each of those 83 protons having so to speak ancestors of an aufbau principle buildup, much like each one of us can trace our history back to the first living organisms on Earth.
But the chain of continuity is choppy in the atom chamber. The chain of continuity is very much continuous in the life-chamber. And this is where, also, we finally iron out the question of viruses. Because in the Chain of Continuity of life, as we go back in time we also encounter the first virus of a specific virus and thus viruses are part and parcel of that same chain of continuity. Thus, viruses are alive.
Not bad progress for the first stab attempt. I feel that the essential ingredient of whether something is alive or not-alive is that it is a member of a Chain of Continuity. But the distinction is not a very sharp distinction over atoms bombarded with energy.
What I am doing is fishing for the key defining concept. It looks as though the idea of continuity is essential, and a long history or long chain of continuity. Because one can say that starting with a single hydrogen atom and bombarding it with energy so that it grows into become a bismuth atom in the end, that one can say it was a chain of continuity. But a difference here with life is that when I place another bismuth atom alongside the "grown bismuth atom" that they have no past history in common. Whereas if I put a person alongside a sea anemone, that if I go back far enough in past history they are ancestors of one another and are thus linked. It is called a web of life. So maybe the important key concept that distinguishes living from nonliving, is that if you go back far enough in time the living is still linked to other bodies but the nonliving had been severed of any links.
Now of course, in the Atom Totality, the above would be in trouble because the present day Plutonium Atom Totality has links all the way back to the beginning whether it is 14 billion years ago or 200 billion years ago as each Atom Totality was created by a former Atom Totality. So this precision definition already is far more difficult than anyone could first imagine. So are we to say that life is not confined to biology but that physical objects such as atoms are living entities? It may just well turn out that living is a duality to nonliving and so we can never have a precision definition but only state that living is dual to nonliving.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "Chapt21: meaning and purpose of life Re: Exoplanets in Tight 2:1 Resonance #253 & 4.37 Atom Totality & Correcting Math" by Archimedes Plutonium
> I am comfortable with having well-defined, precision defined finite- > number versus > infinite-number and how this amply corrects mathematics and makes the > old-math > obsolete. It will be some time before others catch up and accept these > ideas.
> So let me move on and what better place than to well define, precision > define a much > tougher concept. And this concept has never really been given a > acceptable definition > for we see strife within biology as to whether viruses are living or > nonliving. So the concept > of life versus nonlife is what I am aiming at for the moment. Whether > I achieve any sort > of progress or success will remain to be seen. I always go into these > projects with a gloomy > success forecast, but seem to always emerge with some sort of victory.
> Let me see if I can precision define Life versus NonLife. What gives > me some advantage > over all past such projects is that I have the Atom Totality theory > with the latest in > quantum-mechanics.
> Let me just dive into the middle of the problem.
> Imagine three reproduction chambers as three separate experiments. In > one chamber is > of course one celled living creatures and multicelled creatures > reproducing to make more > new life. In the second chamber is atoms of physics that are bombarded > with energy and also > chemical solutions in vats where chemicals are added and reactions > take place. In the third chamber are all sorts of computers and > artists drawing fractals, making small fractals larger or some making > small fractals even smaller and all sorts of different shaped > fractals.
> Now the reason I have these three chambers is to refer to them to > guide me on as to whether > I am making a precision definition of Live vs. Nonlife.
> Now if my memory is correct, the very best that the biology community > can come up with on > a precision definition of Life vs. Nonlife is that it embodies four > main aspects: > (a) is a closed geometrical shaped object > (b) takes in energy from outside of its body > (c) reproduces itself > (d) has motion
> Now it would be nice if there was only one distinction between life > and nonlife rather than > requiring four distinctions that separates whether something is alive > or nonliving.
> Now let me briefly check how much a fractal from the fractal chamber > follows those four > requirements: It surely is a closed geometrical shaped object because > the artist when finishing one fractal moves to the same one that is > larger or smaller version of itself. It surely takes in energy from > the environment as the artist or computer is required to draw the next > fractal. But fails for self reproduction because it needs the artist > or computer aids and also > has no motion.
> Now the atom chamber or chemical mixing chamber fails at reproducing > itself. But fails by > not very much of a failing. I mean that we can construe a experiment > where we have > hydrogen atoms bombarded with some energy and for which some of that > energy converts > into more hydrogen atoms so we have an increase in hydrogen atoms > overall, due to the > energy bombardment from the outside. So in a sense, a real sense, it > is going to be extremely > difficult to say those hydrogen atoms are nonliving.
> Now there is one idea that may help at this juncture. A feature about > life that is very difficult to > realize in any sort of nonliving system. I speak of the idea that all > life on Earth was like a baton carried back through time of a > continuous path of living creatures in order for each and every one of > us to be alive today. Let me call it a chain of continuity of life. > Where I can trace back my cells that only stops when I reach some > ancient primitive first cells on Earth.
> This chain of continuity cannot be existing in the fractal chamber. > Can this chain of continuity > be somehow existing in the atom or chemical chamber? Now if the atom > chamber had elements of bismuth, and all those bismuth atoms were > built step by step adding protons to initial hydrogen atoms, and if we > take one bismuth atom we can make a chain of continuity of each of > those 83 protons having so to speak ancestors of an aufbau principle > buildup, much like each one of us can trace our history back to the > first living organisms on Earth.
> But the chain of continuity is choppy in the atom chamber. The chain > of continuity is very much continuous in the life-chamber. And this is > where, also, we finally iron out the question of viruses. Because in > the Chain of Continuity of life, as we go back in time we also > encounter the first virus of a specific virus and thus viruses are > part and parcel of that same > chain of continuity. Thus, viruses are alive.
> Not bad progress for the first stab attempt. I feel that the essential > ingredient of whether something is alive or not-alive is that it is a > member of a Chain of Continuity. But the distinction is not a very > sharp distinction over atoms bombarded with energy.
> What I am doing is fishing for the key defining concept. It looks as > though the idea of > continuity is essential, and a long history or long chain of > continuity. Because one can say that starting with a single hydrogen > atom and bombarding it with energy so that it grows into > become a bismuth atom in the end, that one can say it was a chain of > continuity. But a difference here with life is that when I place > another bismuth atom alongside the "grown bismuth atom" that they have > no past history in common. Whereas if I put a person alongside > a sea anemone, that if I go back far enough in past history they are > ancestors of one another and are thus linked. It is called a web of > life. So maybe the important key concept that distinguishes living > from nonliving, is that if you go back far enough in time the living > is still > linked to other bodies but the nonliving had been severed of any > links.
> Now of course, in the Atom Totality, the above would be in trouble > because the present day Plutonium Atom Totality has links all the way > back to the beginning whether it is 14 billion years ago or 200 > billion years ago as each Atom Totality was created by a former Atom > Totality. So this precision definition already is far more difficult > than anyone could first imagine. So are we to say that life is not > confined to biology but that physical objects such as > atoms are living entities? It may just well turn out that living is a > duality to nonliving and so we > can never have a precision definition but only state that living is > dual to nonliving.
Now I could not help but notice from the above that I could use my recent understanding of a precision definition of finite-number versus infinite-number in that it requires a boundary point. A boundary such as 10^500 in order to have a precision definition. So the question here, becomes, in order to have a precision definition of living versus nonliving, is there some boundary point that needs to be included?
Say for instance, all living bodies in the Cosmos have to be no smaller than a virus and no larger than the largest organism ever lived? I suppose that is some tree.
And this in itself raises a fascinating question of what is the median or "average" size if the extremes of life are a virus and a large tree? And then, is there a corresponding analog in physics of this median size? How about the size of galaxies, does it follow this median for virus versus tree. I suppose fractal researchers can add to this question.
A pinpointing of a boundary of size for biology would disclude the Atom Totality as living and as a topic for biology.
But the above also raises the reverse question of whether finite is the duality of infinity and that they can never be precisely defined. But that sort of answers itself since by saying 10^500 is infinity, we have precisely defined infinity and thus the finite versus infinite is not a duality relationship.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "Precision definition of life versus nonlife Chapt21: Re: Exoplanets in Tight 2:1 Resonance #254 Atom Totality" by Archimedes Plutonium
As I said previously, I always go into these new adventures of discovery with a gloomy prospect of success, but I seem to always emerge with some sort of victory.
To make mathematics precise and well-defined of finite-number versus infinite-number, needs only one small fantastic trick. Set down a boundary line where above is infinity and below is finite. Here we use Physics to set that boundary, because where Physics ends, so does numbers and mathematics comes to an end. The largest meaningful number in Physics is the Planck Unit where there no longer is a Strong Nuclear Force to exist, and this is at nucleons of 253, or 253! = 10^500. This is around element 100. There!! Well done to make a well-defined, precision definition of finite number versus infinite number.
Now what have I gotten into with a new adventure of trying to precision, well-define Life versus Nonlife? Admittedly a much tougher and harder thing to make precise. However, there is a feature of the Atom Totality theory that places a very sharp difference between what is living and what is nonliving. It comes from the John Bell Inequality with the Experiments that proved this inequality to be true, in other words, the Universe is run by quantum mechanics, both for the small microworld or the largest of macroworld. In order for the Cosmos to be having a Bell Inequality, means the Cosmos must have a "control center" so that when signal A clear across the Cosmos from signal B is changed causing A to change instantly, needs a Cosmic control center, which is the Nucleus of the Atom Totality. John Bell called this concept "superdeterminism".
To make a long story short.
To precision define Life from NonLife when the Cosmos is an Atom Totality with a nucleus as control center, then all life must act as to how the Nucleus forces that plant or animal to act. This is done by shooting photons or neutrinos into the brain of a plant or animal, called the Brain Locus, which may consist of a single atom. The shot photon then is received by the Brain Locus much like a radio receives a signal from a broadcaster. The photon then tells the living organism what actions are to be carried out.
So here we have a precision definition of what is Living and Nonliving. A living entity has a brain locus receiving signals from the Nucleus of the Atom Totality. A nonliving entity such as a rock or cup of water just follows the laws and theories of physics and has no brain locus of incoming signals. A brain locus is the mind of an organism and all living creatures from viruses to trees to animals have a brain locus and thus a mind.
The brain locus is probably a single atom surrounded by other atoms but the single atom is the radio antennae of the mind and processes the shot photon or neutrino.
It is the reason that all animals need to sleep, as sleep is a refocusing of the brain locus atom. Just like a radio needs to be "tuned". So sleep is another word for "tuning the mind".
So that rocks and water and air have no need for a brain locus since the natural laws of physics will superdetermine their position and momentum at any given time. But as for living creatures, to have them superdetermined, requires absolute control over every thought and action and response by the Atom Totality, and that is achieved via a Brain Locus.
So the precision definition of Life or Living versus NonLife or Nonliving, is that all life has a brain-locus. All Nonliving things have no brain locus.
That is a very precise and well defined definition of what it means to be living. It means, the organism is in direct control by the Nucleus of an Atom Totality.
How about a tree seed? Is that living? Well it must have a brain-locus to be living. Now if I cut off a piece of my skin, it is alive but it has no brain locus and will quickly become "dead matter". And a tree seed; is it like the cutoff piece of skin or is it like an organism that has a brain and thus a brain locus? Well, actually a seed like a virus needs alot of instructions at all times. So a seed as well as a virus contain a brain locus already in place, and receiving instructions from the Nucleus of the Atom Totality such as when to germinate, or for the virus, when to move one of its viral-appendages.
Now some may wonder how a tree thinks with its brain locus? And that is a good question, but keep in mind that a tree has to come to many decisions as to when to start dropping leaves or mount a counterresponse on fungus or insect pests.
So here I have found some success in a narrow well defined, precision definition. Life, all life has a brain locus, a radio receiver from instructions from the Nucleus of the Atom Totality.
Now this would mean that the Atom Totality is a hierarchy above that of living versus nonliving. The Atom Totality is above life for it makes life possible.
In the next posts, let me compare the precision of finite versus infinite as 10^500 with the idea that the precision of life versus nonlife is a brain-locus. I do not know if there is any comparison to make, other than both are sharp definitions. And let me drop the newsgroup sci.fractals since it is no longer relevant.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "Brain Locus as Radio Re: Precision definition of life versus nonlife Chapt 21 #255 Atom Totality #27 Brain Locus theory" by Archimedes Plutonium
Last time I wrote on Brain Locus theory was apparently this: sci.physics, sci.med, sci.bio.misc 2010, Jan 8, 1:43 am Subj: PBS's "This Emotional Life" ECT; Brain Locus theory #26 Brain as Radio Receiver Fm: plutonium.archime...@gmail.com
Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > As I said previously, I always go into these new adventures of > discovery with a gloomy > prospect of success, but I seem to always emerge with some sort of > victory.
> To make mathematics precise and well-defined of finite-number versus > infinite-number, needs > only one small fantastic trick. Set down a boundary line where above > is infinity and below is > finite. Here we use Physics to set that boundary, because where > Physics ends, so does numbers and mathematics comes to an end. The > largest meaningful number in Physics is the Planck Unit where there no > longer is a Strong Nuclear Force to exist, and this is at nucleons > of 253, or 253! = 10^500. This is around element 100. There!! Well > done to make a well-defined, precision definition of finite number > versus infinite number.
> Now what have I gotten into with a new adventure of trying to > precision, well-define Life versus > Nonlife? Admittedly a much tougher and harder thing to make precise. > However, there is a feature of the Atom Totality theory that places a > very sharp difference between what is living and what is nonliving. It > comes from the John Bell Inequality with the Experiments that proved > this inequality to be true, in other words, the Universe is run by > quantum mechanics, both for the small microworld or the largest of > macroworld. In order for the Cosmos to be having a Bell Inequality, > means the Cosmos must have a "control center" so that when signal A > clear across the Cosmos from signal B is changed causing A to change > instantly, needs a Cosmic control center, which is the Nucleus of the > Atom Totality. John Bell called this concept "superdeterminism".
> To make a long story short.
> To precision define Life from NonLife when the Cosmos is an Atom > Totality with a nucleus as > control center, then all life must act as to how the Nucleus forces > that plant or animal to act. > This is done by shooting photons or neutrinos into the brain of a > plant or animal, called the Brain Locus, which may consist of a single > atom. The shot photon then is received by the Brain Locus much like a > radio receives a signal from a broadcaster. The photon then tells the > living organism what actions are to be carried out.
> So here we have a precision definition of what is Living and > Nonliving. A living entity has a brain locus receiving signals from > the Nucleus of the Atom Totality. A nonliving entity such as > a rock or cup of water just follows the laws and theories of physics > and has no brain locus of > incoming signals. A brain locus is the mind of an organism and all > living creatures from viruses > to trees to animals have a brain locus and thus a mind.
> The brain locus is probably a single atom surrounded by other atoms > but the single atom is the > radio antennae of the mind and processes the shot photon or neutrino.
> It is the reason that all animals need to sleep, as sleep is a > refocusing of the brain locus atom. Just like a radio needs to be > "tuned". So sleep is another word for "tuning the mind".
> So that rocks and water and air have no need for a brain locus since > the natural laws of physics will superdetermine their position and > momentum at any given time. But as for > living creatures, to have them superdetermined, requires absolute > control over every thought > and action and response by the Atom Totality, and that is achieved via > a Brain Locus.
> So the precision definition of Life or Living versus NonLife or > Nonliving, is that all life > has a brain-locus. All Nonliving things have no brain locus.
> That is a very precise and well defined definition of what it means to > be living. It means, the > organism is in direct control by the Nucleus of an Atom Totality.
> How about a tree seed? Is that living? Well it must have a brain-locus > to be living. Now if I cut > off a piece of my skin, it is alive but it has no brain locus and will > quickly become "dead matter". And a tree seed; is it like the cutoff > piece of skin or is it like an organism that has a brain and thus a > brain locus? Well, actually a seed like a virus needs alot of > instructions at all times. So a seed as well as a virus contain a > brain locus already in place, and receiving instructions from the > Nucleus of the Atom Totality such as when to germinate, or for the > virus, when to move one of its viral-appendages.
> Now some may wonder how a tree thinks with its brain locus? And that > is a good question, but > keep in mind that a tree has to come to many decisions as to when to > start dropping leaves or > mount a counterresponse on fungus or insect pests.
> So here I have found some success in a narrow well defined, precision > definition. Life, all life > has a brain locus, a radio receiver from instructions from the Nucleus > of the Atom Totality.
> Now this would mean that the Atom Totality is a hierarchy above that > of living versus nonliving. > The Atom Totality is above life for it makes life possible.
> In the next posts, let me compare the precision of finite versus > infinite as 10^500 with the idea that the precision of life versus > nonlife is a brain-locus. I do not know if there is any comparison to > make, other than both are sharp definitions. And let me drop the > newsgroup sci.fractals since it is no longer relevant.
Not much comparison between finite number versus infinite number to that of Living versus Nonliving in terms of precision defining. One is a boundary line, whereas the biology is a added feature of a closed entity which possess a brain locus. So there is not much of a comparison, since one is a boundary line and the other is a added feature.
Now I defer to what a biological Radio receiver may look like in terms of a few atoms or molecules to compose a radio receiver. Is it a hexagonal shaped molecule? Does lithium have something to do with a Brain Locus for humans since it is a mental illness treatment? When schizophrenics hear voices, is it because the brain locus has become interrupted, sort of like a radio station interference with another station.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "brain and mind as a radio receiver and the best definition of Life vs. Nonlife #256 Atom Totality & #28 Brain Locus" by Archimedes Plutonium
> Now if my memory is correct, the very best that the biology community > can come up with on > a precision definition of Life vs. Nonlife is that it embodies four > main aspects: > (a) is a closed geometrical shaped object > (b) takes in energy from outside of its body > (c) reproduces itself > (d) has motion
Now some may barge into the discussion above and say why not add an (e) has either DNA or RNA as the characteristics of living from nonliving.
And I would respond that I am defining life with precision over the entire Universe, not just here on Earth. We have no idea as to whether all planets with life have to be DNA/RNA based lifeforms.
So if I take this list of characteristics of life: (a) is a closed geometrical shaped object (b) takes in energy from outside of its body (c) reproduces itself (d) has motion (e) has either DNA/RNA
That list would surely eliminate the atoms fissioning as atoms fit a,b,c,d above except fails to fit (e). But (e) is confined to Earth. So that one can see that atoms are a close contender for "living" yet all of us consider atoms as inanimate lifeless objects when not part of a living body.
So that above list from a to e, is about the best that biology can do for defining life versus nonlife. The above is not precise enough and makes one consider a long list of characteristics that seem to fit for atoms fissioning as well as biological creatures.
So this is where my definition is superior, for it is universal and matters not whether a planet is based on DNA/RNA or some other genetic bases.
Life: a living object must have a brain locus. Nonlife: a nonliving object has no brain locus.
That is my precision definition and is universal. It comes from Bell Inequality that quantum mechanics is on the large scale and ushers in superdeterminism. And to have superdeterminism every living object must be directly controlled by the Atom Totality Nucleus, and that is done via a brain-locus that forms every mind of every living object, regardless of whether it is DNA based or based on some other genetics.
Now I do not know what a brain-locus will be discovered as. Will it be a small molecule? Will its geometry be a hexagonal shaped molecule? Does lithium play a essential part of a brain-locus? Here I would need experts in making radios. Making a radio out of a living body. I would assume the brain locus is located in the brain. If it were located in the eye, there are many living creatures with their eyes removed that did not have a loss of thinking or lose their mind. But when their head is cut off, no longer does a mind exist.
I do not know what the smallest radio, made out of living tissue would look like? Can it be a simple molecule? But perhaps it needs to be much more than a simple molecule, considering how much sleep is required by humans who have to sleep 1/3 of their life to tune or focus the brain-locus each and every day.
Now the rest of the brain which is large in comparison to the brain- locus is merely the execution of what the brain locus has ordered up. Much like a boss of a factory surrounded by thousands of workers all commanded by the boss to perform tasks. So the brain locus receives messages by photons shot by the Nucleus of the Atom Totality, and the execution of those orders are performed by the rest of the brain matter.
So now we can see that Nonliving objects would under superdeterminism simply follow the laws of physics, but that Living objects need to be more controlled by the Atom Totality and would have a brain-locus and thus a mind.
Now I expect any day that someone in the medical profession or the biology sciences to remove a tiny portion of a brain from some animal to find the animal no longer can think properly.
Now in the heyday of lobotomies, especially here in the USA, the tools of a long rod that scrambled around some brain matter would not have removed the brain- locus but would have scrambled it around so badly that it would be akin to jarring the crystal from a radio set out of place. And it would take a patient who was lobotomized a long time to recover. Now I believe the historical record of lobotomies showed a good number of patients who seemed to have "lost their minds completely." And in those cases, I would suspect that the brain locus had been moved or damaged. I do not know if anyone kept detailed records of lobotomies.
Now I hope, sincerely, that the Brain Locus theory is not proven true before the Atom Totality theory is proven true. But this never occurred to me before, that I maybe in a funny situation that science of biology discovers the Brain Locus of animals and proves it true, whilst still the astronomy and physics communities not taking the Atom Totality serious enough.
And I never thought of it that way, that if biologists prove the Brain Locus theory true, that it would be the biologists who prove the astronomy and physics theory of how the Universe was made. Just think of that for a moment, where the biologists do the job of the astronomers and physicists, for which they were derelict of their job.
So, just think of that for a moment, that the proof of the Universe as one big atom, is proven by the fact that animals have radios for a mind. The ironies of science just seem to go on to 10^500.
Now, one more fascinating idea. What if the Brain Locus is the DNA molecule? Then the molecule is a radio and is contained in all the body's cells. Is a double helix acting like a radio?
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
> Now, one more fascinating idea. What if the Brain Locus is the DNA > molecule? Then the molecule is a radio and is contained in all the > body's cells. Is a double helix acting like a > radio?
Now I went to look to see what proportion of the DNA molecule is so called "junk" and here is what Wikipedia had to say about it:
--- quoting Wikipedia --- The amount of total genomic DNA varies widely between organisms, and the proportion of coding and noncoding DNA within these genomes varies greatly as well. More than 98% of the human genome does not encode protein sequences, including most sequences within introns and most intergenic DNA.[1] --- end quoting ---
Now let us ask how much of a radio would be so called "junk", that is, how much of the radio is just the hardware that supports the functioning of the radio? Or we could ask the same question about the cellphone, as to how much hardware is minimally needed to house the cellphone? I think the answer would be that for a radio or cellphone that over 90% is housing hardware to hold the radio or cellphone as a "box container".
Now the nice thing about having DNA as the brain locus radio receiver is that it is nearby to where the genetics is involved. So that if the Atom Totality Nucleus wants a mutation, or wants a cancer or disease, it just is right there in the heredity location.
So let me ask the simple question, is the configuration of DNA/RNA that of a miniature biological radio receiver? Maybe I should post this to a sci.electronics newsgroup.
Now the nice thing also, about DNA being the brain-locus is that if one is the active brain locus and should somehow fail, that another DNA molecule nearby can become the new brain locus.
And perhaps the acting brain locus has some special atoms around it, say perhaps lithium for animals, or perhaps molybdenum for plants.
And also, a brain locus theory fits quite nicely with alot of disease explanations, in that lithium provides relief to mental illness and depression seems to be alleviated by electroshock treatment. Also, I have heard that when someone is confined to a dark and metal enclosure, that their brain functions less.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "Chapt2 history of theory Re: is the DNA/RNA a miniature biological radio receiver? #258 Atom Totality" by Archimedes Plutonium
> > Now, one more fascinating idea. What if the Brain Locus is the DNA > > molecule? Then the molecule is a radio and is contained in all the > > body's cells. Is a double helix acting like a > > radio?
> Now I went to look to see what proportion of the DNA molecule is so > called "junk" > and here is what Wikipedia had to say about it:
> --- quoting Wikipedia --- > The amount of total genomic DNA varies widely between organisms, and > the proportion of coding and noncoding DNA within these genomes varies > greatly as well. More than 98% of the human genome does not encode > protein sequences, including most sequences within introns and most > intergenic DNA.[1] > --- end quoting ---
> Now let us ask how much of a radio would be so called "junk", that is, > how much of the > radio is just the hardware that supports the functioning of the radio? > Or we could ask the same question about the cellphone, as to how much > hardware is minimally needed to house the cellphone? I think the > answer would be that for a radio or cellphone that over 90% is housing > hardware to hold the radio or cellphone as a "box container".
> Now the nice thing about having DNA as the brain locus radio receiver > is that it is nearby to where the genetics is involved. So that if the > Atom Totality Nucleus wants a mutation, or wants a cancer or disease, > it just is right there in the heredity location.
> So let me ask the simple question, is the configuration of DNA/RNA > that of a miniature biological radio receiver? Maybe I should post > this to a sci.electronics newsgroup.
> Now the nice thing also, about DNA being the brain-locus is that if > one is the active brain locus and should somehow fail, that another > DNA molecule nearby can become the new brain locus.
> And perhaps the acting brain locus has some special atoms around it, > say perhaps lithium for animals, or perhaps molybdenum for plants.
> And also, a brain locus theory fits quite nicely with alot of disease > explanations, in that lithium > provides relief to mental illness and depression seems to be > alleviated by electroshock treatment. Also, I have heard that when > someone is confined to a dark and metal enclosure, that their brain > functions less.
Now I keep referring to the history of the Continental Drift theory of Wegener as a model of how the history for the Atom Totality theory will eventually play out. Models are often our finest tools to make educated guesses of how something will transpire in history, how the future will play out.
If you recall in the Continental Drift theory, the first thing to stir Wegener's mind was the jigsaw puzzle fit of Africa west coast into that of the South American east coast. But later on, what was unfolding was that the plants and animals of Africa and South America were so related that they must have been joined in the past. So that biology evidence of Continental Drift was mounting in favor of the theory.
Likewise for the Atom Totality theory, in that biology is going to have a huge say as to whether Atom Totality is true or false. A huge say, far more compelling than what biology was for Continental Drift. This is because, in quantum mechanics we have the Bell Inequality with its "superdeterminism" conclusion. So unlike the Continental Drift theory where biology had a supporting role, here in the Atom Totality theory, biology can actually prove or disprove the theory outright. In order for there to be superdeterminism of the Bell Inequality, there cannot be free-will in biology. Free-will is contradictory to superdeterminism.
So the moment that biology researchers discover and prove that a organism has a brain-locus radio receiver and that living creatures have a brain-locus, is as good of a final proof of the Atom Totatlity, as if the astronomers and physicists sighted the Nucleus of the Atom Totality.
So, unlike the Continental Drift theory where biology played a supporting evidence role, but not a proving-role, here in Atom Totality theory, biology can actually prove outright whether it is true or false. The biologists could beat the physicists in a race to the finish on what the true Cosmology theory of the world is.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "body is an antennae for crystal radio but is DNA also an antennae? #259 Atom Totality #30 Brain Locus theory" by Archimedes Plutonium
Discussion subject changed to "brain locus as a Neutrino Radio & neutrinos as the biology-particle of physics #260 Atom Totality #31 Brain Locus theory" by Archimedes Plutonium
The Universe should be simple. And if there is superdeterminism enforced by the Nucleus of the Atom Totality, using photons and as typically a EM radio, then it is going to be rather messy of a Universe. Physics and science should be simple, not messy. There is a way out of this messiness, and that is the neutrino as the brain locus with a neutrino radio.
I was looking on the web for any discussion of a neutrino radio and found this site of a New Scientist article of recent:
The problem is that neutrinos are so small that 50 trillion neutrinos pass through each person every second without interacting with a single atom in anyone's body. . . When a neutrino does strike part of the Moon, it gives off a nanosecond-long radio-wave burst. By recording those waves, radio telescopes can turn the Moon into the largest neutrino detector in history. --- end quoting two snippets from ---
It seems to me to be a far more simple and orderly universe if the brain locus that controls all living creatures for superdeterminism, that a neutrino would be far better suited to that task.
And if that is correct, then we can safely say that the neutrino is the spark of life or the biology particle of physics.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "how does the mind work if it is a neutrino brain-locus? #261 Atom Totality #32 Brain Locus theory" by Archimedes Plutonium
Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > The Universe should be simple. And if there is superdeterminism > enforced by the Nucleus of the Atom Totality, using photons and as > typically a EM radio, then it is going to be rather > messy of a Universe. Physics and science should be simple, not messy. > There is a way out > of this messiness, and that is the neutrino as the brain locus with a > neutrino radio.
> I was looking on the web for any discussion of a neutrino radio and > found this site of a > New Scientist article of recent:
> The problem is that neutrinos are so small that 50 trillion neutrinos > pass through each person every second without interacting with a > single atom in anyone's body. > . > . > When a neutrino does strike part of the Moon, it gives off a > nanosecond-long radio-wave burst. By recording those waves, radio > telescopes can turn the Moon into the largest neutrino detector in > history. > --- end quoting two snippets from ---
> It seems to me to be a far more simple and orderly universe if the > brain locus that controls all > living creatures for superdeterminism, that a neutrino would be far > better suited to that task.
> And if that is correct, then we can safely say that the neutrino is > the spark of life or the biology particle of physics.
So how would the mind of a biology creature work if it is a neutrino brain-locus at work and since as the above New Scientist article suggests that 50 trillion neutrinos pass through a human body per second, we can imagine say 10 neutrinos stopping in the brain locus of a human per second and that of those 10 each delivering a continuous thought process for that elapsed second of time. There maybe pictures in the mind or speech in the mind or abstraction. Much like a TV set as the mind, only run on neutrinos, not EM waves.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "body is an antennae for crystal radio but is DNA also an antennae? #259 Atom Totality #30 Brain Locus theory" by Helmut Wabnig
Discussion subject changed to "would neutrinos be already coded digit messages rather than photons #262 Atom Totality #33 Brain Locus theory" by Archimedes Plutonium
> Soon to be obsolete. > You cannot receive digital coded radio with "crystals"
> w.
But let us say that crystal-radio is the most simple form of brain locus and that biological life would be a crystal-radio.
And let us say that for each biological living individual that the brain would have to have coded messages.
And let us further stipulate that since a neutrino has rest mass, albeit a tiny one, that it is coded messages when stopped. And perhaps that is the reason that neutrinos have and must have a tiny rest mass in order to be coded. So that the difference between a neutrino and photon is that the neutrino is a coded-photon.
This implies that brain locus would have to be neutrino based brain- locus.
I do not remember who it was that remarked when the neutrino was first discovered, remarked: "Who ordered this?" Or words to that effect. If the above is correct in part, would have an answer to that question, in that a brain locus for a cosmic superdeterminism needs a particle that is very much like a photon with its speed but with the ability to never interact with matter until it reaches a brain-locus of a living creature.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "chapt18; Galaxy evidence, pulsars are probably synchrotron radiation of atom-totality #263 Atom Totality" by Archimedes Plutonium
someone wrote: > >Does an isolated single atom of radium display Synchrotron Radiation? Is it > >the luminescence of radium that is synchrotron radiation.
> No. All accelerating charges, including changing directions (such as in a > synchrotron) radiate > electromagnetic energy. To get your atom of radium to generate synchrotron > radiation, > you'll have to ionize it and accelerate the ion.
> The luminescence from the old radium watches isn't really from the radium > but from zinc sulfide. > Energetic alpha particles from the radioactive decay of radium strike the > zinc sulfide (mixed > with the radium) and the zinc sulfide produces light.
I concede to your point about radium, and tonight have looked for another isotope that is not compounded or molecularized for yielding the luminescence. The best I could do was Cobalt 60 with its blue glow. My question then would be, is this blue glow of Cobalt 60 due to the radioactivity emission of Cobalt 60 in that it is indeed, genuine synchrotron radiation.
I guess I am not making my question crystal clear enough.
What I want to know is whether Synchrotron Radiation can be a fundamental characteristic **inside of atoms**. Or, whether all synchrotronradiation is a secondary phenomenon and never a fundamental aspect found inside of atoms.
Primary atomic structures are spin, magnetic moment, angular momentum etc etc. Is Synchrotron Radiation ever a primary atomic structure?
Radioactivity is a primary atomic structure. Is SynchrotronRadiation also as primary and fundamental to a single atom as Radioactivity.
I hope that makes clear of what I seek.
And as a sidenote, this discussion of SynchrotronRadiation reminds me so much of temperature as a fundamental atomic structure. Most every physicist today would say temperature is not a primary structure of a single atom since they believe an atom has no internal parts to make a temperature. But Debroglie wrote a entire book on the idea that a atom has internal temperature. And I believe an atom has internal temperature due to the dots of the electron-dot- cloud are the
numerous particles that create an internal temperature and the internal temperature of 231Pu is 2.71 Kelvin. So this temperature question reminds me of this question of whether a Isolated Atom has internal SychrotronRadiation provided it is radioactive atom.
I would disagree with you, for I believe the Isolated Atom has not only an internal temperature created from those numerous dots of the electron- dot-cloud
but also if that atom is radioactive that it also has a fundamental internal SynchrotronRadiation that can be calculated.
Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Re: Synchrotron Radiation intrinsic to atomic structure? Re: pulsars &quasars h
Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > someone wrote:
> > >Does an isolated single atom of radium display Synchrotron Radiation? Is it > > >the luminescence of radium that is synchrotron radiation.
> > No. All accelerating charges, including changing directions (such as in a > > synchrotron) radiate > > electromagnetic energy. To get your atom of radium to generate
Thinking about this, it seems to me that given the atomic structure of any and all radioactive isotopes that all of them would have some degree of acceleration of its radioactive emitted electron or proton particles whether they be e emissions or alpha particles. And because every chemical element has a different internal geometry such as uranium is different from plutonium that this internal geometry would also cause an emitting radioactive particle to accelerate once emitted from the nucleus.
Thus, it seems to me that every radioactive isotope has internal SynchrotronRadiation. Taken for granted that the degree of synchrotron radiation by uranium would not be much different from that of plutonium just as the internal temperature of uranium would be a not much different from the 2.71 degrees Kelvin of plutonium.
Every atom has an internal temperature because every atom has dots of the electron-dot-cloud. By the same sort of reasoning since every radioactive atom has emission of charged particles is accelerated and thus they all have synchrotronradiation as intrinsic. --- end quoting old posts of mine ---
Now I was wondering as I was rereading my old posts above as to what I was thinking when I wrote them. Was I thinking that intrinsic synchrotron radiation of an atom totality would be visible or noticeable as a cosmic feature? Was I thinking that pulsars and quasars are the side-effect of synchrotron-radiation of an atom totality?
Or could even the cosmic redshift be a synchrotron-radiation effect?
I do not know at this moment. I do not know enough about synchrotron radiation if it exists inside an atom and especially an Atom Totality as to what that radiation results as a observation for intelligent life.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "atomic characteristics appearing as cosmic characteristics; does the cosmos have two poles, and thus a spin?? chapt18; Galaxy evidence #264 Atom Totality" by Archimedes Plutonium
Subject: atomic characteristics appearing as cosmic characteristics; does the cosmos have two poles, and thus a spin?? chapt18; Galaxy evidence #264 Atom Totality
Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > I happened to spy some old posts of mine in a chemistry forum > archiving some of my > old posts:
> --- quoting some archived old posts of mine --- > Chemistry
> Chemistry Science Re: Synchrotron Radiation intrinsic to atomic > structure? Re: pulsars &quasars h
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Actually I have not thought-out or made a detailed list of the atomic characteristics and tried matching them with cosmic characteristics. Some cosmic characteristics we are familar with are galaxy-solar system, color, microwave radiation quantized at 2.71 K, temperature, geometrical shape of dodecahedron. But what about other characteristics of atomic structure? Is synchrotron radiation a atomic feature? If so, how would it show itself on a cosmic scale? The electron-dot-cloud of atomic structure appears as the cosmic structure of galaxies and planetary-systems embedded in space.
So if synchrotron radiation were an instrinsic atomic feature how would it show itself in the cosmos? Would it be the quasars, or maybe the pulsars? Or, perhaps synchrotron radiation is the redshift of galaxies?
I do not know as of yet, even whether synchrotron radiation is a intrinsic feature of an atom.
I do know that "spin" is an intrinsic feature of an atom, and designated as spin 1/2. But here, I am not sure how "spin" becomes a cosmic observable feature. Our first inclination would be to think of a spinning toy top, but that is a oversimplification. However, it maybe the case that atomic spin does actually turn out to be some cosmic spin of sorts, where the cosmos is moving about a axis. And evidence of this may arrive in the form of there being observable poles in the cosmos. If we find that there is a galactic wall at the Sloan Great Wall and then another galactic wall on the opposite side of the cosmos, then we can say the Universe has two poles, which then implies a cosmic "spin".
--- requoting previous text --- I am having a hard time in locating good enough pictures of the Perseus-Pisces supercluster and the Pavo-Indus supercluster. Here is a better picture than what Jarrett's mapping shows:
The reason I bring up the perseus supercluster is that it appears to be on the opposite side of the Sloan and Great Wall superclusters. So that perhaps the cosmos has two polar regions? And the only explanation for two poles would be a cosmic spin, and of course that would be a ultimate and deciding data or observation and would immediately trashcan the Big Bang theory.
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Discussion subject changed to "atomic characteristics appearing as cosmic characteristics; the easiest is the nucleus as the missing mass chapt18; Galaxy evidence #265 Atom Totality" by Archimedes Plutonium
Subject: Re: atomic characteristics appearing as cosmic characteristics; the easiest is the nucleus as the missing mass chapt18; Galaxy evidence #265 Atom Totality
Well of course, the easiest atomic characteristic to translate into a cosmic feature is the Nucleus of an atom would be 99% of the mass of the atom and that would translate into a cosmic characteristic of a nucleus and the missing mass. The fact we do not directly observe a nucleus of the Cosmos is no hardship on the theory since nuclei are in nodes that are unobservable directly, only observable indirectly. So this is a classical example of where atomic feature translates into a cosmic feature and should prove the Atom Totality true and the Big Bang as false.
But alot of scientists need to see a nucleus in a telescope or other instrument before they accept the Atom Totality.
So that is one of the reasons I should make a detailed list of *atomic characteristics* and then try to determine what *cosmic characteristic* would accrue from that atomic feature.
I already mentioned "spin" as atomically intrinsic, and raised the question of what if spin were translated into cosmic features? What can we expect to observe? I think we can expect that spin would create two poles of the Cosmos. Two poles where the galactic density is enormously high and away from the poles the galactic density decreases. So looking at cosmic mappings, the question arises as to whether Perseus supercluster is a cosmic pole and the Shapley supercluster the opposite cosmic pole?
The thing nice about a Cosmic poles is that they are observable, whereas the "nucleus" may never be observable directly since it is in a plutonium node.
And another feature that is worth looking into in detail is synchrotron radiation and as to whether the quasars, pulsars or the red-shift are the result of a cosmic-synchrotron radiation. What is so nice about this feature, unlike the missing mass, is that it is directly observable as witnessed by the existence of (a) quasars (b) pulsars (c) redshift.
So in summary, what I am looking for is a characteristic of any atom which would have to translate into a characteristic of the observable Universe, and if I find a characteristic that is easy to identify in the cosmos, would almost immediately elevate the Atom Totality theory and trashcan the Big Bang. The missing mass as the nucleus of the Atom Totality should do it, except it has the problem that it is not directly observable because of atomic nodes.
So would atomic-spin be observable? Does atomic structure have synchrotron radiation? And if so, does it translate into having quasars and pulsars and redshift?
Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies