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 More options Jul 28, 12:35 pm
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:35:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 28 2010 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 28, 3:18 pm, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

> On 7/28/2010 4:32 PM, BURT wrote:

> > I challenge you to show they are attractive purple. I say science is
> > wrong and that there is only one repulsive pole for both protons and
> > electrons.

> You're making the claim. You have to provide the proof.
> That's the way it works.

And you are arguing the opposite. If they are mutually attractive why
do they need to be forced together? That is of course the proof.
Please refute it.

Mitch Raemsch


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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:05:12 -0500
Local: Wed, Jul 28 2010 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/28/2010 5:35 PM, BURT wrote:

> On Jul 28, 3:18 pm, purple<pur...@colorme.com>  wrote:
>> On 7/28/2010 4:32 PM, BURT wrote:

>>> I challenge you to show they are attractive purple. I say science is
>>> wrong and that there is only one repulsive pole for both protons and
>>> electrons.

>> You're making the claim. You have to provide the proof.
>> That's the way it works.

> And you are arguing the opposite.

Wrong. I have taken no position at all.

> If they are mutually attractive why
> do they need to be forced together? That is of course the proof.
> Please refute it.

No, I have not taken any position, only stated that if you
are to replace the model that exists you must provide a
replacement model that differs, including sufficient proofs
for that new model.

Since you do not sufficiently understand the existing model
you are unable to create a new, different, one and provide
the necessary proofs. If you understood the existing model
you would not be claiming that it is wrong.


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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:43:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 28 2010 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 28, 6:05 pm, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

I have stated the replacement model. Maybe you didn't notice that I
stated it. All electric force is repulsive for proton and electrons
which are not opposites only heavier sized versions of electric
matter.

What I said is there is only one pole and it is electric repulsion for
both the particles in the electric family: proton and electron.

Mitch Raemsch


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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:45:03 -0500
Local: Wed, Jul 28 2010 5:45 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/28/2010 8:43 PM, BURT wrote:

You've made that claim repeatedly, but have offered no proof,
no evidence, and not discussed how your ideas mesh with the
rest of the models that describe nature.

What, for example, are you using to replace the model of an atom
as simple as hydrogen? If the proton and the electron in that
model repel one another, what holds them together in an atom?

Do you also maintain that the model of an atom is wrong? What
replaces it then?


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 More options Jul 29, 9:17 am
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 9:17 am
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 28, 8:45 pm, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

Why would you think that our first model is complete and right?
No. Science is young and has much wrong with it.
There is a better model comming since the basis of Quantum Mechanics
is changing.

If you think the proton and electron attract then give such a
measurement of them comming together because of it.

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 More options Jul 29, 9:32 am
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:32:48 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 9:32 am
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 29, 12:17 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

As to what holds the atom together that is the particles electric bond
energy to their shells.

Mitch Raemsch


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 More options Jul 29, 2:47 pm
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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:47:14 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/29/2010 2:17 PM, BURT wrote:

> On Jul 28, 8:45 pm, purple<pur...@colorme.com>  wrote:
> Why would you think that our first model is complete and right?
> No. Science is young and has much wrong with it.
> There is a better model comming since the basis of Quantum Mechanics
> is changing.

> If you think the proton and electron attract then give such a
> measurement of them comming together because of it.

I have no beliefs and have stipulated none. You have beliefs you
have stated and you seem unable to provide any proof or evidence
supporting your beliefs.

Since you think that a proton and an electron repel one another
it is for you to develop the model by providing proofs and
evidence. How many times must we go around on this simple issue?


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 More options Jul 29, 2:49 pm
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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:49:11 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/29/2010 2:32 PM, BURT wrote:

You appear to be creating a new force that is not part of any existing
model. Therefore you must fully describe what you are suggesting along
with proofs.

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 More options Jul 29, 2:52 pm
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:52:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 29, 5:49 pm, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

The electrons don't bond to the nucleus. They bond to their eelctron
shells by elctric field energy. I challenge you on that.

Mitch Raemsch


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 More options Jul 29, 3:17 pm
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 29, 5:47 pm, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

If you have no opinion then why would you even argue?
No. If electrons and protons are attractive they would come together.
But that has to be forced and that means that the physics is wrong.

Mitch Raemsch


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 More options Jul 29, 6:05 pm
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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:05:49 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/29/2010 7:52 PM, BURT wrote:

> On Jul 29, 5:49 pm, purple<pur...@colorme.com>  wrote:
>> You appear to be creating a new force that is not part of any existing
>> model. Therefore you must fully describe what you are suggesting along
>> with proofs.-

> The electrons don't bond to the nucleus. They bond to their eelctron
> shells by elctric field energy. I challenge you on that.

> Mitch Raemsch

You can't challenge me, it isn't my idea, you have to prove it.

How many times will it take for you to understand that if you
propose a new theory you are the one who has to prove it. If
you cannot prove it, you should shut up.

Now, where's your proof?


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 More options Jul 29, 6:07 pm
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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:07:55 -0500
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Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/29/2010 8:17 PM, BURT wrote:

I'm not arguing. I keep asking you for proof and you never seem to
have any. The only thing you do is keep propounding increasingly
stupid ideas.

> No. If electrons and protons are attractive they would come together.
> But that has to be forced and that means that the physics is wrong.

Prove that you're right. Stating simple conclusions doesn't do that.


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 More options Jul 29, 6:08 pm
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:08:08 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 29, 9:05 pm, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

The proof is their attraction never brings them together.
I challenge by that.

Mitch Raemsch


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 More options Jul 29, 11:25 pm
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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:25:42 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/29/2010 11:08 PM, BURT wrote:

It is not proof.

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 More options Jul 30, 9:01 am
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:01 am
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 30, 2:25 am, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

The proof is their attraction never brings them together.
I challenge by that.

> It is not proof.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

What other evidence for attraction can there be?

Mitch Raemsch


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 More options Jul 30, 2:35 pm
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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:35:34 -0500
Local: Fri, Jul 30 2010 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/30/2010 2:01 PM, BURT wrote:

Let's take a larger model with some similarities, and some equivalence,
to the atomic model, our solar system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_model

There is an attraction between every element in the solar system, yet,
for the most part, they never come together.

The simple fact that the elements remain in their various orbits, for
some millions of years, is evidence of the attraction among them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_of_the_Solar_System


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 More options Jul 30, 7:37 pm
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:37:14 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 30 2010 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 30, 5:35 pm, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

If they never come together by their attraction then it doesn't even
count.

Mitch Raemsch


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 More options Jul 31, 6:45 am
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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:45:41 -0500
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Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/31/2010 12:37 AM, BURT wrote:

All you're saying is that scientific principles don't count whenever
they conflict with your views.

I once knew an insane woman who declared that the rules that regulated
how people behave don't apply to her. I asked her why that was so. She
said she didn't know, but that's the way things are.

Gravity, electrostatic attraction, and other scientific "rules" are
generally universal. To deny them, without having something that you
can prove is a valid replacement, is a form of insanity.

Why do you keep posting this shit? Are your keepers bored playing
with you?


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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jul 31 2010 10:13 am
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 31, 9:45 am, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

If they never come together without huge force what is the evidence
that they attract?

Mitch Raemsch


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 More options Jul 31, 10:21 am
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From: purple <pur...@colorme.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:21:59 -0500
Local: Sat, Jul 31 2010 10:21 am
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On 7/31/2010 3:13 PM, BURT wrote:

> On Jul 31, 9:45 am, purple<pur...@colorme.com>  wrote:

[...]

You obviously don't have the entry level knowledge to continue
in such discussions. I will not engage you any further till
you do. Bye!

<http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=%22introduction+to+physics%22...>

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 More options Jul 31, 10:26 am
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:26:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jul 31 2010 10:26 am
Subject: Re: Attraction of opposite electric charges would form neutronium
On Jul 31, 1:21 pm, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:

I see you have no evidence of your own. You lose unless you can
demonstrate how they attract if they don't come together.

Mitch Raemsch


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