bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > In article > <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to > ast.net>,
> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote: > > a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> > an automatic (really!) > > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new > > motor.
> I've always considered the key a great > way to shut the car down.
> And yes I know it makes the car harder > to steer...but not impossible.
Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god knows what will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first before even thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, after shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before shutting down the engine.
Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas- > bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > In article > > <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to > > ast.net>,
> > VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote: > > > a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> > > an automatic (really!) > > > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new > > > motor.
> > I've always considered the key a great > > way to shut the car down.
> > And yes I know it makes the car harder > > to steer...but not impossible.
> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear > will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god knows what > will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you are driving an > auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first before even > thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, after > shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before shutting > down the engine.
If you do turn the key , don't remove it. the steering may lock. -- Money; What a Concept !
>> On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas- >> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> In article >>> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to >>> ast.net>,
>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote: >>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>>>> an automatic (really!) >>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new >>>> motor.
>>> I've always considered the key a great >>> way to shut the car down.
>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder >>> to steer...but not impossible.
>> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in >> gear will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god >> knows what will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you >> are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first >> before even thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, >> after shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before >> shutting down the engine.
> If you do turn the key , don't remove it. the steering may lock.
Rod Speed wrote: > Zee wrote: >> On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas- >> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> In article >>> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to >>> ast.net>,
>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote: >>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down. >>>> an automatic (really!) >>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new >>>> motor. >>> I've always considered the key a great >>> way to shut the car down.
>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder >>> to steer...but not impossible. >> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear >> will make it stop in a dime
> No it doesnt.
>> and probably violently
> Doesnt do that either.
>> and god knows what will happen to the car while you are in it.
> Main problem is that it will engage the steering lock, so you will keep going straight ahead.
> That can be a problem when you want to get off the road > once its close to stopping so you dont get run up the arse.
> Not clear if the engine will go flat out again if you turn the key > on once you're almost stopped to steer off the road tho.
>> Whether you are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to >> Neutral first before even thinking of shutting down the engine.
> No you dont.
>> But in my opinion, after shifting to Neutral, just brake >> slowly and pull over before shutting down the engine.
> Trouble is that the engine could easily get killed by gross over revving if you do it that way.
Troll much, Rod?
If said engine is on a car that has a recall out for it, this will not be a problem. There's a known, acknowledged defect in the car, and you will get a nice fresh engine for it for free, and probably a loaner while it gets fixed.
> Rod Speed wrote >> Zee wrote >>> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote >>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote >>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down. >>>>> an automatic (really!) >>>>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new motor. >>>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car down. >>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not impossible. >>> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear will make it stop in a dime >> No it doesnt. >>> and probably violently >> Doesnt do that either. >>> and god knows what will happen to the car while you are in it. >> Main problem is that it will engage the steering lock, so you will keep going straight ahead. >> That can be a problem when you want to get off the road >> once its close to stopping so you dont get run up the arse. >> Not clear if the engine will go flat out again if you turn the key >> on once you're almost stopped to steer off the road tho. >>> Whether you are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to >>> Neutral first before even thinking of shutting down the engine. >> No you dont. >>> But in my opinion, after shifting to Neutral, just brake >>> slowly and pull over before shutting down the engine. >> Trouble is that the engine could easily get killed by gross over revving if you do it that way. > Troll much, Rod?
Like I said, you wouldnt know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.
> If said engine is on a car that has a recall out for it, this will not be a problem.
Wrong. If it just gets damaged by the over revving, and doesnt get killed, the damage may well not show up immediately and you'd have fuck all chance of getting a new engine if the engine dies years later.
And we arent necessarily talking about a car that has a recall out anyway.
It makes a lot more sense to talk about what works best regardless of the detail of why the accelerator cant be released, because that can be something as basic as the mat jamming under the bottom of it, or just the linkage breaking etc with an older car etc.
Particularly when the alternative of just turning the ignition off and leaving the key in the ignition so the steering lock doesnt lock the steering makes a lot more sense than just putting the car in neutral.
> There's a known, acknowledged defect in the car, and you will get a nice fresh engine for it for free, and probably a > loaner while it gets fixed.
Not if it doesnt die immediately you wont necessarily.
Makes a lot more sense to just turn the ignition off instead.
Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas- > bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > In article > > <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to > > ast.net>,
> > VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote: > > > a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> > > an automatic (really!) > > > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new > > > motor.
> > I've always considered the key a great > > way to shut the car down.
> > And yes I know it makes the car harder > > to steer...but not impossible.
> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear > will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god knows what > will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you are driving an > auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first before even > thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, after > shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before shutting > down the engine.
Let's see: the latest adventure has a prius traveling at 94 mph (which may well be a record) on a nice freeway with lots of traffic. Choices are to continue doing what you are doing and maybe rear end some innocent driver, drive off into the bushes or cause the car to suddenly stop via shutting it off and trust your airbag.
I'll take the airbag.
BTW, I can't see any reason why shutting the engine off will make it stop on a dime...lot's of energy stored in the mass of a car going that fast, enough to turn the engine quite a few revs.
Of course in California the standard, and I believe it is a question on the drivers test, is run your car up against the guardrails
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote >>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote >>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down. >>>> an automatic (really!) practice bumping the shifter into neutral. >>>> Let Toyota buy you a new motor. >>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car down. >>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not impossible. >> It is if its got a steering lock and most modern cars do. > Which means you set the wheel to steer straight while on a straight bit of road
Pity about your car ending up stopped in the middle of that road.
Makes a hell of a lot more sense to move off that road as is slowing down instead.
> Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote >> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote >>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote >>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down. >>>> an automatic (really!) practice bumping the shifter >>>> into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new motor. >>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car down. >>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not impossible. >> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in >> gear will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god >> knows what will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you >> are driving an auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first >> before even thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, >> after shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before >> shutting down the engine. > Let's see: the latest adventure has a > prius traveling at 94 mph (which may > well be a record) on a nice freeway with > lots of traffic. Choices are to continue > doing what you are doing and maybe rear > end some innocent driver, drive off into > the bushes or cause the car to suddenly > stop via shutting it off and trust your airbag.
Nope, that last wont happen.
> I'll take the airbag.
More fool you.
> BTW, I can't see any reason why shutting > the engine off will make it stop on a dime...
Corse it wont.
> lot's of energy stored in the mass of a car going > that fast, enough to turn the engine quite a few revs. > Of course in California the standard, and I believe it is a question > on the drivers test, is run your car up against the guardrails
More fool California. And you aint established that there are any guard rails anyway.
On Mar 9, 7:07 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> an automatic (really!) > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new > motor. > -- > Money; What a Concept !
Great theory of yours from the 50's. The shifter on these cars is not mechanical, it's electric. You can try to shift it, but the electronics is in charge. The start stop is controlled on many with a button, not the key. Again, electronics is in charge. If the public perceives a ghost in the electronics, Toyota will be forced to employ a kill switch like NASCAR and brake override.
In article <7vp4asFed...@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Of course in California the standard, and I believe it is a question > > on the drivers test, is run your car up against the guardrails
> More fool California. And you aint established that there are any guard rails > anyway.
Since you are the resident expert, prove there aren't any. It should be easy for you...just find a clip on youtube of any interstate, freeway or major road in California (excluding surface streets) and it will be rife without guardrails.
wrote: > Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote > >>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote
> >>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> >>>> an automatic (really!) practice bumping the shifter into neutral. > >>>> Let Toyota buy you a new motor.
> >>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car down.
> >>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not impossible.
> >> It is if its got a steering lock and most modern cars do.
> > Which means you set the wheel to steer straight while on a straight bit of > > road
> Pity about your car ending up stopped in the middle of that road.
> Makes a hell of a lot more sense to move off that road as is slowing down > instead.
What causes the car to slow down and be steerable?
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >>> Of course in California the standard, and I believe it is a question >>> on the drivers test, is run your car up against the guardrails >> More fool California. And you aint established that there are any guard rails anyway. > Since you are the resident expert, prove > there aren't any. It should be easy for > you...just find a clip on youtube of any > interstate, freeway or major road in California
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote >>>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote >>>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down. >>>>>> an automatic (really!) practice bumping the shifter into neutral. >>>>>> Let Toyota buy you a new motor. >>>>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car down. >>>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not impossible. >>>> It is if its got a steering lock and most modern cars do. >>> Which means you set the wheel to steer straight while on a straight bit of road >> Pity about your car ending up stopped in the middle of that road. >> Makes a hell of a lot more sense to move off that road as is slowing down instead. > What causes the car to slow down and be steerable?
The drag provided by the engine. Same drag you get when you take your foot off the accelerator with the car in gear with no accelerator fault, stupid.
Zee wrote: > On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas- > bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> In article >> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to >> ast.net>,
>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote: >>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>>> an automatic (really!) >>> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new >>> motor.
>> I've always considered the key a great >> way to shut the car down.
>> And yes I know it makes the car harder >> to steer...but not impossible.
> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear > will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god knows what > will happen to the car while you are in it.
OK. You are a moron. Why do you want to tell everyone here that?
wrote: > Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote > >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote > >>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote > >>>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote
> >>>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> >>>>>> an automatic (really!) practice bumping the shifter into neutral. > >>>>>> Let Toyota buy you a new motor.
> >>>>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car down.
> >>>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not impossible.
> >>>> It is if its got a steering lock and most modern cars do.
> >>> Which means you set the wheel to steer straight while on a straight bit > >>> of road
> >> Pity about your car ending up stopped in the middle of that road.
> >> Makes a hell of a lot more sense to move off that road as is slowing down > >> instead.
> > What causes the car to slow down and be steerable?
> The drag provided by the engine. Same drag you get when you take your > foot off the accelerator with the car in gear with no accelerator fault, > stupid.
Yet the problem being discussed is what to do when you can't get your car to stop accelerating.
wrote: > Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> Of course in California the standard, and I believe it is a question > >>> on the drivers test, is run your car up against the guardrails
> >> More fool California. And you aint established that there are any guard > >> rails anyway.
> > Since you are the resident expert, prove > > there aren't any. It should be easy for > > you...just find a clip on youtube of any > > interstate, freeway or major road in California
> Pity about other roads, fuckwit.
Pity you can't prove your point old fella. Seems like a constant problem with you
wrote: > Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> Of course in California the standard, and I believe it is a question > >>> on the drivers test, is run your car up against the guardrails
> >> More fool California. And you aint established that there are any guard > >> rails anyway.
> > Since you are the resident expert, prove > > there aren't any. It should be easy for > > you...just find a clip on youtube of any > > interstate, freeway or major road in California
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote >>>>>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote >>>>>>>> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down. >>>>>>>> an automatic (really!) practice bumping the shifter >>>>>>>> into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new motor. >>>>>>> I've always considered the key a great way to shut the car down. >>>>>>> And yes I know it makes the car harder to steer...but not impossible. >>>>>> It is if its got a steering lock and most modern cars do. >>>>> Which means you set the wheel to steer straight while on a straight bit of road >>>> Pity about your car ending up stopped in the middle of that road. >>>> Makes a hell of a lot more sense to move off that road as is slowing down instead. >>> What causes the car to slow down and be steerable? >> The drag provided by the engine. Same drag you get when you take your >> foot off the accelerator with the car in gear with no accelerator fault, stupid. > Yet the problem being discussed is what to do when you can't get your car to stop accelerating.
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote >>>>> Of course in California the standard, and I believe it is a question >>>>> on the drivers test, is run your car up against the guardrails >>>> More fool California. And you aint established that there are any guard rails anyway. >>> Since you are the resident expert, prove >>> there aren't any. It should be easy for >>> you...just find a clip on youtube of any >>> interstate, freeway or major road in California >> Pity about other roads, fuckwit. > Pity you can't prove your point
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.
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