And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour party groups and worked by devious means to promote themselves into high office by false balloting.
Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent further incursions into goverment.
All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.
> And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > further incursions into goverment.
> All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.
> What a complete load of scare-mongering bollocks!
> On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > further incursions into goverment.
> > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
> What a complete load of scare-mongering bollocks!
> On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > further incursions into goverment.
> > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
On 2 Mar, 09:08, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> chazwin,
> And its people like you who will be the first to scream: > Why didn't someone do something and blame everyone but > yourself. Open your eyes.
can we say "appeasement"
While I was working as a drug councillor (I know, go figure!) in Tower Hamlets, I was working with a young asian lad who had a couple of Admin qualifications but no experience or references. I'd noticed that the East London mosque was looking for volunteers and suggested that it would be good experience.
The young man, a devout muslim himself replied that he wouldnt want to work at the mosque because "they are all nutcases" (his exact words). I asked what he meant but he shook his head and became tight lipped, I didnt persue it as it was not relevent at the time.
For a devout muslim to consider the East london mosque to be run by "nutcases" is pretty telling.
> On Mar 1, 10:40 pm, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > What a complete load of scare-mongering bollocks!
> > On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > > further incursions into goverment.
> > > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
Speaking from personal experience I can assure you that Islamic entryism, using false members, into political parties in the UK is not something new and the Labour Party has experienced it before. It's been underway since the 1990's and some muslims have been expelled from parties for stacking up their chances of selection with false or names of members who did not even know they had joined a party.
Speaking to The Sunday Telegraph, Jim Fitzpatrick, the Environment Minister, said the IFE had become, in effect, a secret party within Labour and other political parties.
They are acting almost as an entryist organisation, placing people within the political parties, recruiting members to those political parties, trying to get individuals selected and elected so they can exercise political influence and power, whether its at local government level or national level, he said.
They are completely at odds with Labours programme, with our support for secularism.
Mr Fitzpatrick, the MP for Poplar and Canning Town, said the IFE had infiltrated and corrupted his party in east London in the same way that the far-Left Militant Tendency did in the 1980s. Leaked Labour lists show a 110 per cent rise in party membership in one constituency in two years.
Since Mr Rahman became leader, more council grants have been paid to a number of organisations which our investigation established are closely linked to the IFE.
Funding for other, secular groups was ended or cut. In the boroughs well-known Brick Lane area, council funds were switched from a largely secular heritage trail to a highly controversial hijab sculpture, angering many residents who accused the council of religious triumphalism.
On 1 Mar, 22:40, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What a complete load of scare-mongering bollocks!
> On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > further incursions into goverment.
> > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
These people are simply bringing in religious trojan horses.....no ifs buts or maybes. And watch how the BNP get a leg up & then watch the shit really hit the fan.
Good luck boys & girls.
Forget the Argies..........it's the religious nutters you've gotta watch out for!
On Mar 2, 6:22 am, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > further incursions into goverment.
> All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.
Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the Dispatches investigations last evening.
All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the awful but real dilemma we face.
On Mar 2, 10:14 am, TLC <tlc.tere...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Speaking from personal experience I can assure you that Islamic > entryism, using false members, into political parties in the UK is not > something new and the Labour Party has experienced it before. It's > been underway since the 1990's and some muslims have been expelled > from parties for stacking up their chances of selection with false or > names of members who did not even know they had joined a party.
> Speaking to The Sunday Telegraph, Jim Fitzpatrick, the Environment > Minister, said the IFE had become, in effect, a secret party within > Labour and other political parties.
> They are acting almost as an entryist organisation, placing people > within the political parties, recruiting members to those political > parties, trying to get individuals selected and elected so they can > exercise political influence and power, whether its at local > government level or national level, he said.
> They are completely at odds with Labours programme, with our support > for secularism.
> Mr Fitzpatrick, the MP for Poplar and Canning Town, said the IFE had > infiltrated and corrupted his party in east London in the same way > that the far-Left Militant Tendency did in the 1980s. Leaked Labour > lists show a 110 per cent rise in party membership in one constituency > in two years.
> Since Mr Rahman became leader, more council grants have been paid to a > number of organisations which our investigation established are > closely linked to the IFE.
> Funding for other, secular groups was ended or cut. In the boroughs > well-known Brick Lane area, council funds were switched from a largely > secular heritage trail to a highly controversial hijab sculpture, > angering many residents who accused the council of religious > triumphalism.
> On 1 Mar, 22:40, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > What a complete load of scare-mongering bollocks!
> > On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > > further incursions into goverment.
> > > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
> Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the > Dispatches investigations last evening.
> All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are > genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them > are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who > also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway > and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
> We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist > I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
> If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face > a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the > advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their > head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the > awful but real dilemma we face.
Unfortunately it's the false charges of "islamophobia" that encourages and brings in right wing racist groups/parties like BNP and gains support for them while isolating those of us who are engaging in legitimate criticism of these activities.
This is, apparently, what has happened in Holland.
CJPAC is doing the same thing Canada and AIPAC as well as the Christian Right in the US.
So, this strategy isn't limited to the Islamists.
The problem, as Max has indicated before, is religious incursions into the political process and their attempts to influence it.
These religious Trojan Horses are very destructive to the Secular state.
-- "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com>wrote:
> > TLC,
> > Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the > > Dispatches investigations last evening.
> > All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are > > genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them > > are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who > > also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway > > and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
> > We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist > > I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
> > If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face > > a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the > > advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their > > head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the > > awful but real dilemma we face.
> Unfortunately it's the false charges of "islamophobia" that encourages and > brings in right wing racist groups/parties like BNP and gains support for > them while isolating those of us who are engaging in legitimate criticism of > these activities.
> This is, apparently, what has happened in Holland.
> CJPAC is doing the same thing Canada and AIPAC as well as the Christian > Right in the US.
> So, this strategy isn't limited to the Islamists.
> The problem, as Max has indicated before, is religious incursions into the > political process and their attempts to influence it.
> These religious Trojan Horses are very destructive to the Secular state.
> -- > "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
> "Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to > skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015- Hide quoted text -
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:07 AM, TLC <tlc.tere...@googlemail.com> wrote: > And within the UK political process the catholics and Protestants have > a lot more power and they wield it!
> How many MP's go to meetings with Imams to decide what political line > they'll take?
> How many MP's go to meetings with christian cardinals and clergy to > decide what political line they'll take? A lot!
Agreed. In Canada, when the BNA Act was brought home and the Charter was being written, the Catholic Church publicly stated that all Catholic MPs (the PM was Catholic) had better support the retention of the Catholic School Board. The threat was implied and not stated.
Quite shameless of them but it worked and in Ontario, even more shamelessly, the tax payer is paying for this fucking Catholic School Board.
The RC is worth billions and they can neither pay for their own schools or the damages to the Irish children abused and raped in their care or any number of other things.
It's active interference in the political process and religion's special privilege card that results in what amounts to religious scams, abuse of the democratic process, and fraudulent misappropriation of taxpayer funds.
The Islamists have learned from the best and like the Israel lobbies (Jewish biblical extremists) who like to manipulate by playing the holocaust/anti-semitic card, they manipulate by playing the racial discrimination card.
So, if you don't agree with the racist concept of Ersatz Israel you must be anti-semitic and support the holocaust.
And, if you don't agree with the imposition of Sharia Law and the Islamic Declaration of "Rights" (a misnomer by any standard) you must be a racist "islamophobe".
Unfortunately this strategy is working all too well and the *ONLY* people that I know of who are taking a strong public stand against it are the atheists and secularists despite the charges of islamophobia, anti-semitism, and anti-christian bias, etc.
-- "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015
> And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > further incursions into goverment.
> All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.
Well put Lawrey, I share your concerns.
I see no other threat to Liberal democracy in the future other than the threat of Islamic fascism. There is no such thing as Islamic fundamentalism as all Muslims by definition must believe the Quran to be the literal word of God.
Instead of pandering to them by providing Islamic ghettos and funding Islamic faith schools the UK needs to become truly secular, not allowing a privileged position for any religion before its if it is not already-- too late.
We both know this will not happen though. The election is looming and neither the Conservatives nor Labour will do anything to address the fundamental issues responsible for this. The best UK voters can do in order to combat this is to vote for The Liberals or Green Party as well as writing to their local MPs to voice their concern.
Could not agree with you more. It's sickening the way the un-elected religious get on to political/ community committee's, being payed for by the tax payer, and make decisions from their own agenda for those they don't represent!
On 2 Mar, 13:46, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:07 AM, TLC <tlc.tere...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > And within the UK political process the catholics and Protestants have > > a lot more power and they wield it!
> > How many MP's go to meetings with Imams to decide what political line > > they'll take?
> > How many MP's go to meetings with christian cardinals and clergy to > > decide what political line they'll take? A lot!
> Agreed. In Canada, when the BNA Act was brought home and the Charter was > being written, the Catholic Church publicly stated that all Catholic MPs > (the PM was Catholic) had better support the retention of the Catholic > School Board. The threat was implied and not stated.
> Quite shameless of them but it worked and in Ontario, even more shamelessly, > the tax payer is paying for this fucking Catholic School Board.
> The RC is worth billions and they can neither pay for their own schools or > the damages to the Irish children abused and raped in their care or any > number of other things.
> It's active interference in the political process and religion's special > privilege card that results in what amounts to religious scams, abuse of the > democratic process, and fraudulent misappropriation of taxpayer funds.
> The Islamists have learned from the best and like the Israel lobbies (Jewish > biblical extremists) who like to manipulate by playing the > holocaust/anti-semitic card, they manipulate by playing the racial > discrimination card.
> So, if you don't agree with the racist concept of Ersatz Israel you must be > anti-semitic and support the holocaust.
> And, if you don't agree with the imposition of Sharia Law and the Islamic > Declaration of "Rights" (a misnomer by any standard) you must be a racist > "islamophobe".
> Unfortunately this strategy is working all too well and the *ONLY* people > that I know of who are taking a strong public stand against it are the > atheists and secularists despite the charges of islamophobia, anti-semitism, > and anti-christian bias, etc.
> -- > "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
> "Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to > skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015
Yes we can say appeasers, but this time, we in England will be directly exposed to their folly and short-sightedness. Islam is not just full of nutters! they are nutters on a mission and they do not intend to loose, this country has never been in such critical danger of being over-run.
On Mar 2, 9:28 am, Dead Kennedy <dead.kenn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 Mar, 09:08, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > chazwin,
> > And its people like you who will be the first to scream: > > Why didn't someone do something and blame everyone but > > yourself. Open your eyes.
> can we say "appeasement"
> While I was working as a drug councillor (I know, go figure!) in Tower > Hamlets, I was working with a young asian lad who had a couple of > Admin qualifications but no experience or references. I'd noticed that > the East London mosque was looking for volunteers and suggested that > it would be good experience.
> The young man, a devout muslim himself replied that he wouldnt want to > work at the mosque because "they are all nutcases" (his exact words). > I asked what he meant but he shook his head and became tight lipped, I > didnt persue it as it was not relevent at the time.
> For a devout muslim to consider the East london mosque to be run by > "nutcases" is pretty telling.
> > On Mar 1, 10:40 pm, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > What a complete load of scare-mongering bollocks!
> > > On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > > > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > > > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > > > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > > > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > > > further incursions into goverment.
> > > > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > > > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > > > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > > > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
This is democracy. They were elected and have the right to do what they will with the money of the taxpayers that elected them. I don't know if you noticed the hypocrisy in your post.
On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > further incursions into goverment.
> All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.
I would never have believed I could possibly say this, but at the rate and speed at which we in this country are being over-taken; if it takes the BNP or any other far right-wing group to halt it. Then I say bring it on. and lets get it over and done with sooner rather than later. We do not want islamic rule in any town here in England. In the old cowboy parlance "wheel 'em in, head 'em up, and move 'em out! what-ever it takes they must be banished and let political correctness go to the four winds. Political correctnes is what Islam thrives on. religion of every cardre is an abomination, but Islam is terrifying.
On Mar 2, 12:53 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com>wrote:
> > TLC,
> > Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the > > Dispatches investigations last evening.
> > All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are > > genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them > > are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who > > also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway > > and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
> > We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist > > I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
> > If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face > > a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the > > advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their > > head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the > > awful but real dilemma we face.
> Unfortunately it's the false charges of "islamophobia" that encourages and > brings in right wing racist groups/parties like BNP and gains support for > them while isolating those of us who are engaging in legitimate criticism of > these activities.
> This is, apparently, what has happened in Holland.
> CJPAC is doing the same thing Canada and AIPAC as well as the Christian > Right in the US.
> So, this strategy isn't limited to the Islamists.
> The problem, as Max has indicated before, is religious incursions into the > political process and their attempts to influence it.
> These religious Trojan Horses are very destructive to the Secular state.
> -- > "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
> "Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to > skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015- Hide quoted text -
> On 1 Mar, 22:22, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > further incursions into goverment.
> > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.
> Well put Lawrey, I share your concerns.
> I see no other threat to Liberal democracy in the future other than > the threat of Islamic fascism. There is no such thing as Islamic > fundamentalism as all Muslims by definition must believe the Quran to > be the literal word of God.
> Instead of pandering to them by providing Islamic ghettos and funding > Islamic faith schools the UK needs to become truly secular, not > allowing a privileged position for any religion before its if it is > not already-- too late.
> We both know this will not happen though. The election is looming and > neither the Conservatives nor Labour will do anything to address the > fundamental issues responsible for this. The best UK voters can do in > order to combat this is to vote for The Liberals or Green Party as > well as writing to their local MPs to voice their concern.- Hide quoted text -
You want BNP to win!? All I can say is just WOW. Do you realize they are staunchly anti-European and are ethnic nationalists (as opposed to civic nationalists)? If anyone should be considered the enemy of the British ideals and way of life, it is them.
On Mar 2, 4:11 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> I would never have believed I could possibly say this, > but at the rate and speed at which we in this country > are being over-taken; if it takes the BNP or any other > far right-wing group to halt it. Then I say bring it on. > and lets get it over and done with sooner rather than > later. We do not want islamic rule in any town here in > England. In the old cowboy parlance "wheel 'em in, head > 'em up, and move 'em out! what-ever it takes they must > be banished and let political correctness go to the > four winds. Political correctnes is what Islam thrives > on. religion of every cardre is an abomination, but > Islam is terrifying.
> On Mar 2, 12:53 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com>wrote:
> > > TLC,
> > > Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the > > > Dispatches investigations last evening.
> > > All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are > > > genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them > > > are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who > > > also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway > > > and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
> > > We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist > > > I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
> > > If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face > > > a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the > > > advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their > > > head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the > > > awful but real dilemma we face.
> > Unfortunately it's the false charges of "islamophobia" that encourages and > > brings in right wing racist groups/parties like BNP and gains support for > > them while isolating those of us who are engaging in legitimate criticism of > > these activities.
> > This is, apparently, what has happened in Holland.
> > CJPAC is doing the same thing Canada and AIPAC as well as the Christian > > Right in the US.
> > So, this strategy isn't limited to the Islamists.
> > The problem, as Max has indicated before, is religious incursions into the > > political process and their attempts to influence it.
> > These religious Trojan Horses are very destructive to the Secular state.
> > -- > > "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
> > "Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to > > skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015- Hide quoted text -
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com>wrote:
> Trance,
> I would never have believed I could possibly say this, > but at the rate and speed at which we in this country > are being over-taken; if it takes the BNP or any other > far right-wing group to halt it. Then I say bring it on. > and lets get it over and done with sooner rather than > later. We do not want islamic rule in any town here in > England. In the old cowboy parlance "wheel 'em in, head > 'em up, and move 'em out! what-ever it takes they must > be banished and let political correctness go to the > four winds. Political correctnes is what Islam thrives > on. religion of every cardre is an abomination, but > Islam is terrifying.
Unfortunately Lawrey, what you are expressing here is the approach that many people are taking.
I don't agree.
The BNP and other right wing extremists are as much a danger to the secular democratic process as Islam is.
Holland is finding this out.
We need a strong secular voice. That is the only solution that will result in a resolution.
> On Mar 2, 12:53 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com > >wrote:
> > > TLC,
> > > Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the > > > Dispatches investigations last evening.
> > > All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are > > > genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them > > > are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who > > > also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway > > > and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
> > > We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist > > > I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
> > > If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face > > > a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the > > > advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their > > > head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the > > > awful but real dilemma we face.
> > Unfortunately it's the false charges of "islamophobia" that encourages > and > > brings in right wing racist groups/parties like BNP and gains support for > > them while isolating those of us who are engaging in legitimate criticism > of > > these activities.
> > This is, apparently, what has happened in Holland.
> > CJPAC is doing the same thing Canada and AIPAC as well as the Christian > > Right in the US.
> > So, this strategy isn't limited to the Islamists.
> > The problem, as Max has indicated before, is religious incursions into > the > > political process and their attempts to influence it.
> > These religious Trojan Horses are very destructive to the Secular state.
> > -- > > "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
> > "Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to > > skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015- Hide quoted text -
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Such stupidity and blinkered vision as you demonstrate, is what islam relies on. They are hell-bent on destroying what little democracy there is, and it is poeple like you, who keep shouting, "this is a democracy!" and fooling themselves that we are; when every sensible person know we are a police state already. that bring on our downfall sooner rather than later.
On Mar 2, 4:02 pm, Sebastian <mezna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is democracy. They were elected and have the right to do what > they will with the money of the taxpayers that elected them. I don't > know if you noticed the hypocrisy in your post.
> On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > further incursions into goverment.
> > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
I agree we are a police state and THIS is something we should combat, not INCREASE. What you are suggesting would amount to violent deportation of these people out of the country, where they have built their lives and well-being. And yes, this is democracy. If you don't like it, move to North Korea.
On Mar 2, 4:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Such stupidity and blinkered vision as you demonstrate, > is what islam relies on. They are hell-bent on destroying > what little democracy there is, and it is poeple like you, > who keep shouting, "this is a democracy!" and fooling > themselves that we are; when every sensible person know > we are a police state already. that bring on our downfall > sooner rather than later.
> On Mar 2, 4:02 pm, Sebastian <mezna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is democracy. They were elected and have the right to do what > > they will with the money of the taxpayers that elected them. I don't > > know if you noticed the hypocrisy in your post.
> > On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > > further incursions into goverment.
> > > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
You must live in a bubble and be ignorant of what is going on all around you, most of these concils are being taken over by ballot rigging, and there are thirteen of them mostly in Labour strong-holds. This all in the space of the last ten years of Labour rule. Socialism has encouraged Islam, continues to encourage Islam, was it not Tony Blair himself, who declared himself in favour of some Shari'a Law. There is no British way of life anymore it has been taken from us by what Labour proudly boasts is immigrant integration, except there is no integration we have been slowly ghetto-ised. Britain for the true English at least, has become a foreign country and unrecognisable.
No I do not want the BNP and their filth, and neither do most lovers of England, but when push comes to shove and they are the only people prepared to ignore the stupidity of political correctness and speak out and stand up for the common, indigenous population of the country; then just as soon as they can we need them, if only to bring the Tories to their senses, because as sure as shit is shit, Labour will sell us out as it has done over the last ten years.
What crap you do talk."British Ideals and way of life'? What ideals, that this labour government has not trashed? What way of life that this labour government has not wrecked, bringing its people to its knees in financial and social ruination. Wake up!
On Mar 2, 4:18 pm, Sebastian <mezna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You want BNP to win!? All I can say is just WOW. Do you realize they > are staunchly anti-European and are ethnic nationalists (as opposed to > civic nationalists)? If anyone should be considered the enemy of the > British ideals and way of life, it is them.
> On Mar 2, 4:11 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Trance,
> > I would never have believed I could possibly say this, > > but at the rate and speed at which we in this country > > are being over-taken; if it takes the BNP or any other > > far right-wing group to halt it. Then I say bring it on. > > and lets get it over and done with sooner rather than > > later. We do not want islamic rule in any town here in > > England. In the old cowboy parlance "wheel 'em in, head > > 'em up, and move 'em out! what-ever it takes they must > > be banished and let political correctness go to the > > four winds. Political correctnes is what Islam thrives > > on. religion of every cardre is an abomination, but > > Islam is terrifying.
> > On Mar 2, 12:53 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com>wrote:
> > > > TLC,
> > > > Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the > > > > Dispatches investigations last evening.
> > > > All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are > > > > genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them > > > > are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who > > > > also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway > > > > and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
> > > > We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist > > > > I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
> > > > If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face > > > > a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the > > > > advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their > > > > head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the > > > > awful but real dilemma we face.
> > > Unfortunately it's the false charges of "islamophobia" that encourages and > > > brings in right wing racist groups/parties like BNP and gains support for > > > them while isolating those of us who are engaging in legitimate criticism of > > > these activities.
> > > This is, apparently, what has happened in Holland.
> > > CJPAC is doing the same thing Canada and AIPAC as well as the Christian > > > Right in the US.
> > > So, this strategy isn't limited to the Islamists.
> > > The problem, as Max has indicated before, is religious incursions into the > > > political process and their attempts to influence it.
> > > These religious Trojan Horses are very destructive to the Secular state.
> > > -- > > > "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
> > > "Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to > > > skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015- Hide quoted text -
The very last polling figures show that the majority of England is anti-european.
I did not think to hear an Englishman tell me to go and live in North Korea. THIS is MY country and has been throughout the generations of MY family, throughout the ages. I am well aware of the conditions in North Korea. But why should I go there just because I bring the folly of government to account for its short sighted immigration policies;let those that brought this upon us, go there and those that have come to ruin this once wonderful country. I'll stay here and fight with my last breath to honour the country of my forebears and my children.
On Mar 2, 4:27 pm, Sebastian <mezna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree we are a police state and THIS is something we should combat, > not INCREASE. What you are suggesting would amount to violent > deportation of these people out of the country, where they have built > their lives and well-being. And yes, this is democracy. If you don't > like it, move to North Korea.
> On Mar 2, 4:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Sebastion,
> > Such stupidity and blinkered vision as you demonstrate, > > is what islam relies on. They are hell-bent on destroying > > what little democracy there is, and it is poeple like you, > > who keep shouting, "this is a democracy!" and fooling > > themselves that we are; when every sensible person know > > we are a police state already. that bring on our downfall > > sooner rather than later.
> > On Mar 2, 4:02 pm, Sebastian <mezna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This is democracy. They were elected and have the right to do what > > > they will with the money of the taxpayers that elected them. I don't > > > know if you noticed the hypocrisy in your post.
> > > On Mar 1, 10:22 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > ++++====SOONER RATHER THAN LATER====++++
> > > > And so it has come to pass sooner than expected and does not > > > > bode well for the future democratic rule of the once Great Britain.
> > > > Some time ago when I and others warned against of the dangers, > > > > at the site of the first mosque to appear on British soil and its > > > > portents for the demise of democracy as we in the west know it; > > > > I was accused of alarmist talk, Islamophobia and scare mongering.
> > > > Now today we hear from Dispatches that not only has the borough > > > > of Tower Hamlets in London been completely taken over by the > > > > I.F.E. ( Islamic Forum of Europe), which is a fundamentalist group, > > > > with known affiliations with terrorists and terrorist organisations > > > > world-wide, but no less than thirteen other towns in England are > > > > well on the way to be taken over by I.F.E. and Thirteen million > > > > pounds of British tax payers money has been handed out to the > > > > favoured I.F.E organisations by Tower Hamlets council these are > > > > Islamic groupings within the local society, that promote and > > > > campaign for Shari'a law. They have infiltrated mainly Labour > > > > party groups and worked by devious means to promote > > > > themselves into high office by false balloting.
> > > > Tower Hamlets have successfully voted to apply for a Mayor > > > > who can not be forced out for four years and who holds powers > > > > over local govenment, I.F.E. are opposed to democracy and > > > > have vowed to wipe it out where-ever it can gain a foothold. > > > > Some how it has managed to curry favour with ministers and > > > > the present government who are scared stiff to speak out for > > > > fear of being labelled Islamophobic, have completely capitulated > > > > and seem paralized and incapable of taking any action to prevent > > > > further incursions into goverment.
> > > > All this in the few short years I have been a member of this group. > > > > The well revered London mosque, praised by government officials > > > > as a beacon to freedom and self expression and integration, has > > > > been found to have invited terrorist leaders to speak within the > > > > the protection of its walls and preach their filth in open forum.
> > > > WHEN WILL SOME-ONE, ANY-ONE TAKE A LEAD AND SPEAK > > > > OUTagainst this infamous religious sect called Islam.
> > > > Islam must now be forced out of Great Britian before it is too late > > > > if it is not already, enough is too much already. Muslims cannot > > > > be trusted, they are ALL potential Killers by conviction.
> > > > What price freedom now? Be warned! The worst is yet to come.- Hide quoted text -
lowrey: "You must live in a bubble and be ignorant of what is going on all around you, most of these concils are being taken over by ballot rigging, and there are thirteen of them mostly in Labour strong-holds. This all in the space of the last ten years of Labour rule. Socialism has encouraged Islam, continues to encourage Islam, was it not Tony Blair himself, who declared himself in favour of some Shari'a Law. There is no British way of life anymore it has been taken from us by what Labour proudly boasts is immigrant integration, except there is no integration we have been slowly ghetto-ised. Britain for the true English at least, has become a foreign country and unrecognisable. "
What world do you live in? What Tony Blair did is to allow people to AGREE to have a dispute, that cannot otherwise be settled by British Law, settled through Sharia (or any other set of rules they like). A magistrate then rules on this and makes the resolution legally binding (you essentially sign a contract that you will abide by the ruling). In addition, the judgments naturally fall under the jurisdiction of the law. This is NOT the same as bringing Sharia law into this country and actually VERY FAR away from that. You can never be put on trial under Sharia law unless you agree to in advance, and even then only to the extent permissible by the law. Bloody hell, if they want to have Sharia judgments how is this hurting you?
lowrey: "No I do not want the BNP and their filth, and neither do most lovers of England, but when push comes to shove and they are the only people prepared to ignore the stupidity of political correctness and speak out and stand up for the common, indigenous population of the country; then just as soon as they can we need them, if only to bring the Tories to their senses, because as sure as shit is shit, Labour will sell us out as it has done over the last ten years. "
Indigenous population... Shall we all move out and invite the Romans back? Or should we let the indigenous Celts take over the country? Hell, maybe we should see who lived here 10 000 years ago. This has nothing to do with political correctness, BNP policies are simply stupidity and hatred taken to its extreme.
lowrey: "What crap you do talk."British Ideals and way of life'? What ideals, that this labour government has not trashed? What way of life that this labour government has not wrecked, bringing its people to its knees in financial and social ruination. Wake up! "
Being against BNP is not the same as being in favour of Labour. I don't like Labour and I don't like Tories. And if you want to know, by British ideals I mean the commitment to fairness, meritocracy and liberty. BNP stands for hatred, preferential access for "indigenous" population (who the hell knows what that means) and the restriction of liberty to anyone in their way. I hate to say this because I don't like when other people compare stuff to Hitler, but BNP = Hitler.
On Mar 2, 4:49 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> You must live in a bubble and be ignorant of what is > going on all around you, most of these concils are > being taken over by ballot rigging, and there are > thirteen of them mostly in Labour strong-holds. This > all in the space of the last ten years of Labour rule. > Socialism has encouraged Islam, continues to encourage > Islam, was it not Tony Blair himself, who declared > himself in favour of some Shari'a Law. There is no > British way of life anymore it has been taken from us > by what Labour proudly boasts is immigrant integration, > except there is no integration we have been slowly > ghetto-ised. Britain for the true English at least, > has become a foreign country and unrecognisable.
> No I do not want the BNP and their filth, and neither > do most lovers of England, but when push comes to shove > and they are the only people prepared to ignore the > stupidity of political correctness and speak out and > stand up for the common, indigenous population of the > country; then just as soon as they can we need them, > if only to bring the Tories to their senses, because > as sure as shit is shit, Labour will sell us out as > it has done over the last ten years.
> What crap you do talk."British Ideals and way of life'? > What ideals, that this labour government has not trashed? > What way of life that this labour government has not > wrecked, bringing its people to its knees in financial > and social ruination. Wake up!
> On Mar 2, 4:18 pm, Sebastian <mezna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You want BNP to win!? All I can say is just WOW. Do you realize they > > are staunchly anti-European and are ethnic nationalists (as opposed to > > civic nationalists)? If anyone should be considered the enemy of the > > British ideals and way of life, it is them.
> > On Mar 2, 4:11 pm, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > Trance,
> > > I would never have believed I could possibly say this, > > > but at the rate and speed at which we in this country > > > are being over-taken; if it takes the BNP or any other > > > far right-wing group to halt it. Then I say bring it on. > > > and lets get it over and done with sooner rather than > > > later. We do not want islamic rule in any town here in > > > England. In the old cowboy parlance "wheel 'em in, head > > > 'em up, and move 'em out! what-ever it takes they must > > > be banished and let political correctness go to the > > > four winds. Political correctnes is what Islam thrives > > > on. religion of every cardre is an abomination, but > > > Islam is terrifying.
> > > On Mar 2, 12:53 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com>wrote:
> > > > > TLC,
> > > > > Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the > > > > > Dispatches investigations last evening.
> > > > > All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are > > > > > genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them > > > > > are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who > > > > > also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway > > > > > and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
> > > > > We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist > > > > > I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
> > > > > If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face > > > > > a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the > > > > > advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their > > > > > head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the > > > > > awful but real dilemma we face.
> > > > Unfortunately it's the false charges of "islamophobia" that encourages and > > > > brings in right wing racist groups/parties like BNP and gains support for > > > > them while isolating those of us who are engaging in legitimate criticism of > > > > these activities.
> > > > This is, apparently, what has happened in Holland.
> > > > CJPAC is doing the same thing Canada and AIPAC as well as the Christian > > > > Right in the US.
> > > > So, this strategy isn't limited to the Islamists.
> > > > The problem, as Max has indicated before, is religious incursions into the > > > > political process and their attempts to influence it.
> > > > These religious Trojan Horses are very destructive to the Secular state.
> > > > -- > > > > "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
> > > > "Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to > > > > skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015- Hide quoted text -
I am well aware and I speak with a measured tongue when I say the idea is loathesome, but this country needs a shock of the most vicious force to lift it from the torpor of mental lassitude of its political rulers. We have no leaders, no "strong secular voice." We have been crushed by european political correctness that has overtaken successive governments. We fear to tread on our own hard fought-for soil. Even the BNP have mellowed their stance of late.
I really feel and fear anarchy in the not too distant future. We cannot afford to tolerate more Islamic incursions. We must halt it and halt it now. I know what I am suggesting and I hope that someone somewhere will strive to prevent it. We are in the throws of a desperate situation.
On Mar 2, 4:20 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com>wrote:
> > Trance,
> > I would never have believed I could possibly say this, > > but at the rate and speed at which we in this country > > are being over-taken; if it takes the BNP or any other > > far right-wing group to halt it. Then I say bring it on. > > and lets get it over and done with sooner rather than > > later. We do not want islamic rule in any town here in > > England. In the old cowboy parlance "wheel 'em in, head > > 'em up, and move 'em out! what-ever it takes they must > > be banished and let political correctness go to the > > four winds. Political correctnes is what Islam thrives > > on. religion of every cardre is an abomination, but > > Islam is terrifying.
> Unfortunately Lawrey, what you are expressing here is the approach that many > people are taking.
> I don't agree.
> The BNP and other right wing extremists are as much a danger to the secular > democratic process as Islam is.
> Holland is finding this out.
> We need a strong secular voice. That is the only solution that will result > in a resolution.
> > On Mar 2, 12:53 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, lawrey <commentslaw...@btinternet.com > > >wrote:
> > > > TLC,
> > > > Almost everything you have just written was confirmed by the > > > > Dispatches investigations last evening.
> > > > All those witnesses are not scaremongering, they are > > > > genuinely conserned and so they should be, some of them > > > > are councillors and some even Muslims themselves, who > > > > also fear the rise of the I.F.E. and its increasing headway > > > > and drive into poitics and high office in this country.
> > > > We ignore the threat at our peril and If I sound alarmist > > > > I am happy to be so accused if someone takes notice.
> > > > If I am Islamophobic, I am happy to be so accused. We face > > > > a real and immanent and treacherous danger if we allow the > > > > advance of Islam and in particular the I.F.E to have their > > > > head. It will not be long before they have ours; such is the > > > > awful but real dilemma we face.
> > > Unfortunately it's the false charges of "islamophobia" that encourages > > and > > > brings in right wing racist groups/parties like BNP and gains support for > > > them while isolating those of us who are engaging in legitimate criticism > > of > > > these activities.
> > > This is, apparently, what has happened in Holland.
> > > CJPAC is doing the same thing Canada and AIPAC as well as the Christian > > > Right in the US.
> > > So, this strategy isn't limited to the Islamists.
> > > The problem, as Max has indicated before, is religious incursions into > > the > > > political process and their attempts to influence it.
> > > These religious Trojan Horses are very destructive to the Secular state.
> > > -- > > > "Love is friendship on fire" --Anonymous
> > > "Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to > > > skyscrapers" --Panama Floyd, aa#2015- Hide quoted text -
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